RAPTOR/ENIGMA pairing and outcome

[Northstar Herp]

I have a raptor male that I plan on breeding to an enigma 100% het. raptor female. (Thanks to country gecko for the female.)

So I should get 50/50 raptors?

But I really don't understand how the enigma thing works at all. How do predict, if I can, the outcome?

 

[T-ReXx]

I have a raptor male that I plan on breeding to an enigma 100% het. raptor female. (Thanks to country gecko for the female.)

So I should get 50/50 raptors?

But I really don't understand how the enigma thing works at all. How do predict, if I can, the outcome?

Raptor X het Raptor = 50% raptor, 50% het raptor

Enigma is Dominant, so 50% of your offspring should be enigma. This works out to:

25% Nova(raptor enigma)
25% enigma het raptor
25% raptor
25% het raptor

 

[Northstar Herp]

I did the punnetts square for the raptor vs. het raptor thing, so I got 50% raptor right. But do you do another square for the enigma, or can you make a bigger square?

 

[T-ReXx]

I did the punnetts square for the raptor vs. het raptor thing, so I got 50% raptor right. But do you do another square for the enigma, or can you make a bigger square?

Enigmas don't really fit in a punnett square because its a dominant trait and you won't get "het" enigmas. Basically when one parent is enigma, half off the offspring will be enigma. So half your babies from the raptor pairing will be raptor, half will be het raptor, split these in two and half will be enigma raptor(nova) and half will be enigma het raptor.

 

[BSM]

I dis agree, your missing a few
raptor x het raptor
25% Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
25% Eclipse HET Tremper Albino
25% Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
25% RAPTOR

raptor x enigma het raptor
12.5% Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
12.5% Eclipse HET Tremper Albino
12.5% Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
12.5% RAPTOR
12.5% Enigma HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
12.5% BEE HET Tremper Albino
12.5% Enigma Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
12.5% Nova

 

[herpencounter]

Enigmas don't really fit in a punnett square because its a dominant trait and you won't get "het" enigmas. Basically when one parent is enigma, half off the offspring will be enigma. So half your babies from the raptor pairing will be raptor, half will be het raptor, split these in two and half will be enigma raptor(nova) and half will be enigma het raptor.

Yes it does fit. Yes you can have Het. enigmas... MOST of the enigmas we have are heterozygous enigmas. A gecko is heterozygous for a gene when two different alleles occupy the same position on the chromosoms.

 

[herpencounter]

I dis agree, your missing a few
raptor x het raptor
25% Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
25% Eclipse HET Tremper Albino
25% Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
25% RAPTOR

raptor x enigma het raptor
12.5% Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
12.5% Eclipse HET Tremper Albino
12.5% Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
12.5% RAPTOR
12.5% Enigma HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
12.5% BEE HET Tremper Albino
12.5% Enigma Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
12.5% Nova

:main_thumbsup:

 

[T-ReXx]

I dis agree, your missing a few
raptor x het raptor
25% Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
25% Eclipse HET Tremper Albino
25% Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
25% RAPTOR

raptor x enigma het raptor
12.5% Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
12.5% Eclipse HET Tremper Albino
12.5% Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
12.5% RAPTOR
12.5% Enigma HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
12.5% BEE HET Tremper Albino
12.5% Enigma Tremper Albino HET Eclipse
12.5% Nova

Yeah, total brain fart on my part, I don't work with raptors, so I'm not as familiar with the crazy offshoots you can get. My bad.

 

[T-ReXx]

Yes it does fit. Yes you can have Het. enigmas... MOST of the enigmas we have are heterozygous enigmas. A gecko is heterozygous for a gene when two different alleles occupy the same position on the chromosoms.

I suppose I should have been more specific. What I was getting at is that because enigma is a dominant trait, there's only pheotype "hets" as in no non-visual het enigmas, and therefore no way to tell visually the difference between a one copy enigma and a homozygous enigma(no "super" form). Therefore any offspring that are not visual enigmas aren't going to produce enigma offspring.

 

[Gazz]

Talbino eclipse patternless striped X [1C]Enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse = .

Normal HET Talbino,Eclipse.
Eclipse normal HET Talbino.
Talbino normal HET Eclipse.
Talbino eclipse normal.
Aberrant HET Talbino,Eclipse.
Eclipse aberrant HET Talbino.
Talbino aberrant HET Eclipse.
Talbino eclipse aberrrant.
Hyper aberrant HET Talbino,Eclipse.
Eclipse hyper aberrant HET Talbino.
Talbino hyper aberrant HET Eclipse.
Talbino eclipse hyper aberrrant.
Striped HET Talbino,Balbino.
Eclipse striped HET Talbino.
Talbino striped HET Eclipse.
Talbino eclipse striped.
Reverse striped HET Talbino,Eclipse.
Eclipse reverse striped HET Talbino.
Talbino reverse striped HET Eclipse.
Talbino eclipse reverse striped.
Patternless striped HET Talbino,Eclipse.
Eclipse patternless reverse striped.
Talbino eclipse patternless striped = RAPTOR.
[1C]Enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse Enigma HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino Enigma HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse Enigma.
[1C]Aberrant enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma aberrant HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma aberrant HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma aberrrant.
[1C]Enigma hyper aberrant HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma hyper aberrant HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma hyper aberrant HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma hyper aberrrant.
[1C]Enigma striped HET Talbino,Balbino.
[1C]Eclipse enigma striped HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma striped HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma striped.
[1C]Enigma reverse striped HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma reverse striped HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma reverse striped HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma reverse striped.
[1C]Enigma patternless striped HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma patternless reverse striped.
[1C]Talbino enigma patternless striped HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma patternless striped = NOVA.
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Talbino eclipse patternless striped X [2C]Enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse = .

[1C]Enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse Enigma HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino Enigma HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse Enigma.
[1C]Aberrant enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma aberrant HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma aberrant HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma aberrrant.
[1C]Enigma hyper aberrant HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma hyper aberrant HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma hyper aberrant HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma hyper aberrrant.
[1C]Enigma striped HET Talbino,Balbino.
[1C]Eclipse enigma striped HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma striped HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma striped.
[1C]Enigma reverse striped HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma reverse striped HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino enigma reverse striped HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma reverse striped.
[1C]Enigma patternless striped HET Talbino,Eclipse.
[1C]Eclipse enigma patternless reverse striped.
[1C]Talbino enigma patternless striped HET Eclipse.
[1C]Talbino eclipse enigma patternless striped = NOVA.

 

[Northstar Herp]

Gazz, those are all the combinations? So I have a one in twentyfour chance of a NOVA? Kinda slim odds, but I guess there's a variety of looks possible, even if it's undoing all the work that went into the previous breedings. Now I definitely don't think I will be able to identify the babies...

 

[BSM]

its 1 in 8 to get a nova, he just posted possible variations from the 8 possible out comes.

 

[Northstar Herp]

Oh, I gotcha, I think. He was listing EVERY possibility, including the hets.