Shipping geckos during winter months......

Designer Geckos

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Just to add in our two cents to the cold weather shipping talk......we ship in cold weather routinely and have never had a single problem. Here are a few of our procedures and criteria for shipping in cold weather conditions:

- Always check the weather forecast carefully for the departure and destination cities for the next 48-72 hours, and also check the hubs' weather forecasts. For instance, our shipments from Denver to the east via Fedex go through Indy, so we always check the weather of our hubs as well before making a decision to ship.

- If the weather looks good with no storms on Doppler etc., and the temps aren't too much below 35 degrees, we will usually ship. Cold weather is bad enough, but storms cause delays and that's something we definitely don't want to have to deal with. Of course it is imperative that the buyer be fully aware of the delivery time so the geckos are not left outside their door. This must be fully communicated. Be sure you have the buyer's cell phone number.

- It is essential to track your shipments. If there is a delay noted on the tracking info, you must call the carrier and talk to someone from customer service to alert them that the box contains live animals and that the box needs to be placed in a warm location/office and NOT on a cold loading dock! We use Fedex exclusively and they have been great at putting traces on shipments that have been delayed so those can be placed inside where it is warm until shipping resumes.

- We use 12x9x6 insulated shipping boxes, and most always use 32 oz deli cups (unless the geckos are small). The reason we use the larger box is because we use two 60-72 hour heat packs per box. One is placed in the corner very close to the deli cup, insulated from the cup with a small amount of crumpled paper so it is very close to the cup, and the other heat pack is positioned in the opposite corner. That way you get both fairly direct heat and some ambient heat in the box. The larger deli cup allows the gecko to move away or closer to the heat source as it wishes. Use crumpled paper to fill the voids in the box. ALWAYS use 60-72 hour heat packs in case of a delay, plus these packs are larger and provide better assurance for warmth. The smaller duration heat packs are too thin and can fail. The larger heat packs are considerably heavier and more expensive to buy and to ship, but it's worth it!

- Use crumpled paper (not shredded) to fill your voids. Do not use packing peanuts, which can give off toxic vapors when heated.

- Be sure the geckos have been well fed the days prior to shipping. This will help to make them fat and happy and will help them withstand the rigors and stress of shipping.

- Be sure to write clearly on the top of the box and at least one of the sides. We always write LIVE BABY GECKO - HANDLE WITH CARE....and add KEEP WARM during the winter months. We have found the carriers to be very compassionate folks and they take care when they see that writing on the box. Write clearly using a sharpie marker so the message is clearly visible. If you do not write this info on the box, the box will get thrown around like a rag doll and we certainly don't want our precious cargo treated like that! Let them know what's inside. Very important! We endorse Fedex because we know how great they have been in tracing packages when delayed so they can be placed inside a nice warm office rather than a freezing dock. (Note that Fedex requires that you be a certified reptile shipper. If you ship reptiles with them and are not certified by them they can ban you from shipping ever again with them....important.)

Hope these tips help. We ship routinely during the winter months with great success, although we do so with great caution. We have even shipped to the Arctic Ocean! Some of our geckos eat upon arrival so we know our method works well.

When in doubt, DON'T ship. These critters depend on us for their safety. We do NOT recommend shipping young juvies during winter months.

Best of luck, and let me know if you have any other questions about this and we'll be glad to help you out.
 

GeckoDude31

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Great post!!! I'm getting one shipped to Minnesota this week. The temps are going to be under 10 degrees. What is a safe temp to ship at? I want nothing to go wrong for my first Leo. Thanks!
 

Kristi23

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Great post!!! I'm getting one shipped to Minnesota this week. The temps are going to be under 10 degrees. What is a safe temp to ship at? I want nothing to go wrong for my first Leo. Thanks!

I would never ship in temps that low. I hope your gecko makes it safely.
 

Mel&Keith

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Great post!!! I'm getting one shipped to Minnesota this week. The temps are going to be under 10 degrees. What is a safe temp to ship at? I want nothing to go wrong for my first Leo. Thanks!

It depends on who is shipping those geckos. I've known geckos to survive those temperatures but they were packed by a VERY experienced shipper, double boxed, double insulated, and heat packed. Shipping in this manner would cost well over $100. I would ask the shipper exactly how they are packing the geckos. How thick is the foam insulation in the box, are they using 1 or 2 boxes, what type of heat packs are they using, if they still guarantee live arrival, etc. Heat packs can freeze and become ineffective in temperatures below freezing so it's incredibly dangerous to ship when the temperature is going to be in the teens. Almost all breeders are happy to hold your gecko (with payment) until the temperatures return to a safe range.
 

GeckoDude31

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It depends on who is shipping those geckos. I've known geckos to survive those temperatures but they were packed by a VERY experienced shipper, double boxed, double insulated, and heat packed. Shipping in this manner would cost well over $100. I would ask the shipper exactly how they are packing the geckos. How thick is the foam insulation in the box, are they using 1 or 2 boxes, what type of heat packs are they using, if they still guarantee live arrival, etc. Heat packs can freeze and become ineffective in temperatures below freezing so it's incredibly dangerous to ship when the temperature is going to be in the teens. Almost all breeders are happy to hold your gecko (with payment) until the temperatures return to a safe range.

Ok, gottcha! This is good to know. Does anyone have a pictures or video on how this packaging would look? Would it be better to wait for a day in the 20's, or low 30's? How low of temps have you experienced shippers shipped at with success?
 

KelliH

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I've been shipping geckos for many years now and I would NEVER ship in 10 degree or less weather. That is just ridiculous. I won't ship in less than freezing temps unless a customer absolutely insists, and then my live arrival guarantee is void.
 

Northstar Herp

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I've been shipping geckos for many years now and I would NEVER ship in 10 degree or less weather. That is just ridiculous. I won't ship in less than freezing temps unless a customer absolutely insists, and then my live arrival guarantee is void.

I HAVEN'T been shipping for years, and even I know better than this...

Common sense is in order when it comes to temps, IMO. If I have heat packs that get over 100 degrees, and I can reasonably assume that a gecko can survive short term temps in the 50's or so, anything below the 30's doesn't make sense to me.

For me as a new shipper, it's more than just a refund. I do give a rip about my geckos, and it's neither good business or compassionate to ship when it's that cold. There's no harm in waiting, in fact, I'm supposed to ship to WI when the weather is good. Postponed this week, and will do so until the weather is good from me to them. If we have to wait for a while and they become disgruntled, the money can be given back. I'm not trying to pay my mortgage with these leos, thank goodness...

This is all IMO of course. :main_thumbsup:
 

vctkiller

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Ok, gottcha! This is good to know. Does anyone have a pictures or video on how this packaging would look? Would it be better to wait for a day in the 20's, or low 30's? How low of temps have you experienced shippers shipped at with success?

I just wanted to know. Has your leopard gecko been shipped safely?
 

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