Someone Please Help! ;(

[Daidra]

I would have a fecal float done to see if the little guy has crypto spirodum as they can only see if it is crypto spirodum through a fecal float and if he has it then the humane thing to due is have him put to sleep as crypto spirodum can not be healed at all right now but they are working on a medicine now but don't have it out yet,all the symptoms you are explaining to us sounds like he may have crypto spirodum.Take some fecal to the vet ASAP and tell them that you would like to have a fecal float done and they will due it for you right away.Good Luck and I am praying that he does not have this and that he will get better soon.

 

[2bacop]

The substrate of the tank is paper towels. I don't believe there is any sand involved.

oops, sorry it looked like sand at first glance. I retract my statement. Thanks for clearing it up!

 

[**SEXYRACER**]

I have already had a stool sample checked for paracites and crypto....The vet said she didn't see anything......I don't think the light is the issue because his enclosure has been the same since I got him....If the light were the issue I think he probably would have been stressed from the begining and he would have never gotten any better...He was a little stressed when we first got him, probably because of the new home, but shortly after he was fine and eating like a champ....This happened all of a sudden...Maybe he does have crypto and the vet didn't see it, I dunno, but she had a very fresh stool to test...


Does anyone know the main reasons that make them throw up their food?...or pass undigested food?...

 

[OhioGecko]

Main reasons:
1. parasites
2. floor temp

Any others?

 

[sleepyjones]

3. Crypto (I guess that counts as 1 but ... )

It might be worth calling your vet and double checking that they did do a crypto test, they should have it all in their records.
It would be easy for a vet to say "We checked the fecal and didn't find anything", but that doesn't mean they specifically did a crypto test. Crypto requires a specific test that most vets do not / can not do in their surgery, so it could be that they they did a test for everything they were able to, and you just assumed that includes Crypto, or it could be that they tested for what they could in the surgery and the receptionist told you that they did do a crypto test assuming that they had, when in fact they hadnt.
Im not sure that makes sense, but call the vet and ask them specifically if they did a Cryptosporidium test.

 

[sleepyjones]

4. Food is too large

Could it be that the food is too large for the wee guy to digest?

 

[RampantReptiles]

it's a decent range UV bulb im talking about.

You would need a bulb that emits UVB rays. All fluorescent bulbs emit UVA but only certain ones emit UVB. UVB is essential for some animals to absorb calcium. It allows them to utilize vitamin D. With leopard geckos we already give the vitamin D they need, vitamin D3 is in most calcium products. Leopard geckos are nocturnal and their skin is not made to utilize UVB rays, so the effectiveness of UVB is very little. Also leopard geckos tend to hide especially when there is light on them so they wont be out in the enclosure to absorb the UVB rays anyways.
Im not saying that UVB is useless and not to use it, just saying that its not really that effective.

 

[**SEXYRACER**]

The vet told me that she looked for the crypto paracite....I really don't think the food is too large, but I'll try to feed him some really small crickets and see if that helps...I think I'm going to have to start forse feeding him some wax again just to get something into him because he isn't holding anything down and he is getting worse day by day....

 

[ariana]

i hope the best for you
just keep trying...

 

[DarthGekko]

From the looks of the cage and the fact that the temps were too high at 98f and lack of hides compared to floor space the little guy probably got stressed out. You should turn off the light. You should provide a couple more hides. You should make the floor temps 90-92f. Give him access to food and give him a slurry to give him electrolytes. Let him lick it off of his nose if you have to. I don't reccomend force feeding because it stresses the gecko out. His problem is that he can't keep food down as it is, so what good would force feeding do? Probably more harm than good. It sounds like you had temps too high for him with a bulb shining on him all day and possibly through the night. He might have done fine at first but he probably got stressed out after awhile and that led to his condition. Stress can lead to parasites but you have to change his environment to lower his stress. I keep over 250+ Leopard Geckos in rack systems that are in a pretty dark room during the day and pitch black at night. They do not need a light shining on them. Lastly, this is meant to help you and this is my advice based on the conditions you mentioned. I hope everything works out for you and your gecko.

 

[OhioGecko]

From the looks of the cage and the fact that the temps were too high at 98f and lack of hides compared to floor space the little guy probably got stressed out. You should turn off the light. You should provide a couple more hides. You should make the floor temps 90-92f. Give him access to food and give him a slurry to give him electrolytes. Let him lick it off of his nose if you have to. I don't reccomend force feeding because it stresses the gecko out. His problem is that he can't keep food down as it is, so what good would force feeding do? Probably more harm than good. It sounds like you had temps too high for him with a bulb shining on him all day and possibly through the night. He might have done fine at first but he probably got stressed out after awhile and that led to his condition. Stress can lead to parasites but you have to change his environment to lower his stress. I keep over 250+ Leopard Geckos in rack systems that are in a pretty dark room during the day and pitch black at night. They do not need a light shining on them. Lastly, this is meant to help you and this is my advice based on the conditions you mentioned. I hope everything works out for you and your gecko.

Do what Nate has listed above. If you don't there is not much else we can help you with. Please let us know what changes you made and how he is doing. It might take several days for better signs to show.

 

[Zynx_Keekeio]

OMG, he looks really skinny. Get him to the vet! Continue the slurry until then. It could be one of several different diagnosis but the important matter at hand is to get a diagnosis from the vet and treat accordingly.

Some questions that might help:
What is the floor temp on the hot side of your enclosure?
How are you heating the enclosure? Just UTH or combo'd with lights?
What are you gutloading his food with?
Can you post a pic of the enclosure?

I would like to correct the "he looks very skinny" and say his tail is ubelievably small but his body still has some mass to it, it could be he has worms, either way there is still hope

 

[**SEXYRACER**]

I would like to correct the "he looks very skinny" and say his tail is ubelievably small but his body still has some mass to it, it could be he has worms, either way there is still hope

I've tried to be optimistic for the past 3 to 4 months but honestly I don't think he is going to make it...:main_no:

 

[OhioGecko]

I would like to correct the "he looks very skinny" and say his tail is ubelievably small but his body still has some mass to it, it could be he has worms, either way there is still hope

What? The spine is sticking out and behind the eyes is sunken in. It is very obvious this guy is sick, dehydrated, and VERY SKINNY.

 

[RyanJ]

Here's some herp vet links in California I googled. Maybe one will take him on a payment plan, even if it's to euthanize him.

http://www.herpvetconnection.com/calif.shtml
http://www.herpvetdirectory.com/vet/CA.html
http://www.anapsid.org/vets/califs.html

Good luck

 

[**SEXYRACER**]

What? The spine is sticking out and behind the eyes is sunken in. It is very obvious this guy is sick, dehydrated, and VERY SKINNY.

I don't think he is too dehydrated because he drinks a far amount of water....I know he has to be very siick, but I've taken him to the vet already and she didn't really help like I thought she would have...That trip cost me 100 bucks, thats kind of a lot of money...I just feel frustrated....He actually is skinnier now than he was in those pics I first posted in this thread...

 

[codyc_13]

OK not trying to be mean or anything BUT these people know what there talking about several people have offered good advice and you resond with "i dont think that is the problem" or "wouldnt he be better with the light" or "i dont think he is dehydrated. He very well could be dehydrated, lets say Your vet miss his parasites, And i really do think that is what is going on a gecko doesnt get like that unless there is a pasasite problem or a enclosure problem, and your enclosure looks good, But a parasite is kindof like the human kidney it will sacrifice anything and everything to stay alive even if it means killing the host, You said he drinks alot of water, this is another indication to me that he has a parasite because he is drinking the water to keep him alive but the parasite turns around and "steals" all of that water to keep itself alive, same think with the food anything that he keeps down the parasite steals all the nutrients so it can stay alive. I am half asleep so if any of this doesnt make sense i will fix it tomorrow. And none of this post is suppose to be offesive or anything, I just want your little buddy to get better. OH one last reason i think it is a parasite is you said he started to get better with treatment, that probably means that you were killing some of the parasites and it wasnt and they didnt need as much nutrients to stay alive so you gecko got what they didnt need so he was improving, and when you stoped the treatment the parasites slowly started to reproduce and come back.

 

[**SEXYRACER**]

OK not trying to be mean or anything BUT these people know what there talking about several people have offered good advice and you resond with "i dont think that is the problem" or "wouldnt he be better with the light" or "i dont think he is dehydrated. He very well could be dehydrated, lets say Your vet miss his parasites, And i really do think that is what is going on a gecko doesnt get like that unless there is a pasasite problem or a enclosure problem, and your enclosure looks good, But a parasite is kindof like the human kidney it will sacrifice anything and everything to stay alive even if it means killing the host, You said he drinks alot of water, this is another indication to me that he has a parasite because he is drinking the water to keep him alive but the parasite turns around and "steals" all of that water to keep itself alive, same think with the food anything that he keeps down the parasite steals all the nutrients so it can stay alive. I am half asleep so if any of this doesnt make sense i will fix it tomorrow. And none of this post is suppose to be offesive or anything, I just want your little buddy to get better. OH one last reason i think it is a parasite is you said he started to get better with treatment, that probably means that you were killing some of the parasites and it wasnt and they didnt need as much nutrients to stay alive so you gecko got what they didnt need so he was improving, and when you stoped the treatment the parasites slowly started to reproduce and come back.

I never tried to say that these people didn't know what they were talking about...I was just giving my opinion...as far as the light I wanted to make sure he was warm enough...it seems like some people are towarn between the fact if you should use the light or not....No big deal...Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I was just stating myne....:main_thumbsup:...

He probably did have paracites...The vet I took him to in my area is sapposed to be a somewhat repuatible vet, and she told me that his stool was clean...That visit cost me 100 dollars, I'm not rich and I didn't want to tell her that I didn't believe her(although that was what I was thinking)....
I really think that he had to be sick from the get because I look back at pictures I had of him and his mate that I bought with him, and they didn't look like the babies that come from some of the breeders on here....

Oh well it was all a learning experience....I'm very sorry that they both had to die in the process, but like I said I think something had to be wrong from the start.....