The War In Iraq

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ByRandom said:
That's almost as bad as the comment you made about profiling terrorists.... To claim that any and/or all of our Nation's debt is from the War is, quite frankly, naive.

During the second quarter of 2003, when the war in Iraq was in full swing, some 60 per cent of the 3.3 percent GDP growth rate was attributable to military spending. [source:http://skeptically.org/parwho/id7.html]

A smaller proportion of the roaring 8.2 per cent growth recorded for the third quarter was directly attributable to the military, but Professor Pollin and others argue that it is still the military that is driving the deficit, and the deficit - budgeted at about $500 billion (£270bn) for next year - that is driving the recovery. [same source]

So to say that we're in a downward spiral is far off base. We are actually recovering exponentially. The stock market is in full swing, the NASDAQ And DOW Jones are roaring up the charts, where as they were barely hanging in there after 9/11.

Come on guys, do a little research before posting. My source is a little dated, but if you were aware of what was going on in 2001-2002 (i.e. searching for a job) you would be able to easily see how much better we are doing now, than we were almost 4-5 years ago.

Wars are notorious for stimulating the economy. Period. Not that I support the war, which I have already said many times, I'm just sick of opinions being thrown around as fact.

[Good Discussion Thus Far Guys! :main_thumbsup:]
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I'm going to say you aced government and economics
 
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LOL. I was a slacker in school and slept through all of my classes. I hated being there, even still, I graduated with a 3.12 GPA, which, albeit not amazing, is still better than 65% of the people at my high school.
 
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ByRandom said:
LOL. I was a slacker in school and slept through all of my classes. I hated being there, even still, I graduated with a 3.12 GPA, which, albeit not amazing, is still better than 65% of the people at my high school.
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:smart: <----Josh
 
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LOL. I was a slacker in school and slept through all of my classes. I hated being there, even still, I graduated with a 3.12 GPA, which, albeit not amazing, is still better than 65% of the people at my high school.
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Ill add one to that. I hate school. It seems like I can work my way through a school year and feel like I havent learned a bloody thing. And the few things I do learn are so bias with a single person's standard.
----Like this war in a civics class, it's like I'm being fed the one view from an americans eyes. When there is actually so much more to see.
 
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Flame or bash me all you want, but I don't support either. Does that mean I wish harm/death on the troops? No
 
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Lyndsey said:
Flame or bash me all you want, but I don't support either. Does that mean I wish harm/death on the troops? No
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I don't think anyone should be bashed for not supporting anything, thats your choice, that is exactly what our men and women have fought for, and if someone bashes you for that then thats rediculous. I am not totally against the war (but I do have some problems with the way it was carried out) but I wouldn't slam anyone for not supporting it, thats their call. But to do such loud public actions which can be seen around the world and enbolden (sp?) the enemy more than they already are is a little much in my opinion.
 
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Bash? No..

However, I think you either A) need to revaluate where we would be without our troops (in specific, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide) or B) not try to "act out" to get attention. :main_thumbsup:
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A. I can sit here and re evaluate where we would be without the troops til the cows come home and I still wouldn't support them

B. How am I "acting out" to get attention; because I said on a message forum that I don't support the troops?


You said earlier that we should support the troops because we all have had an ancestor that has been a soldier, correct?

Well, two of my relatives were actual Nazi's in Germany under Hitler. Does that mean I should support modern day Nazi's and hate Jewish people too?
 
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This has been a very stimulating and civil thread up until now. Let's try and keep it that way, guys!


I was born when my father got home from the Korean War. I grew up in the 50's when we were terrified of the 'commies' and folks built bomb shelters in their back yards in case Russia nuked us. I also grew up in the 60's when there was racial war in the streets of this country. Imagine war between people for nothing more than skin color!

My dad served two tours in Viet Nam for the 1st and 3rd Marines on the DMZ in Da Nang, Dong Ha, and Phu Bai. I saw protests and violence over that war that was called a 'conflict' until after Nixon pulled the troops in 1972... then it was referred to a war. I was proud of my dad, and still am.

I saw how this country treated our brave troops like criminals. I saw what became of many of those soldiers... we all see them today as mentally ill nobodies that beg for money and sleep under freeway overpasses. Those men fought a war that their own country didn't support, and we swept them under the rug so we wouldn't have to deal with them.

War is a fact of life, and has been since before written history. Wars have been fought for land, money, power, politics, food, religion, and principles... and anything else that is deemed war-worthy. This Nation would not exist if we hadn't gone to war with England. Heck, some of us even like to start little wars here on GeckoForums.net. (Right, Lyndsey?)

I think it's interesting to hear the opinions of many of you that are even younger than my own kids, or not much older than my grandkids. What most of us fail to understand is just how insulated we are living here in the good old USA. Many of us don't have a clue what it really means to be an American.

But I guarantee you that if wars were not fought somewhere else, they would be fought right here in our own back yard. We got a taste of it when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and terrorists struck down the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and some very heroic folks sacrificed their lives on that plane headed for the White House.

So tell me, where would we be without our troops? George W. Bush isn't the best president we've ever had, but there is never a question that he loves this great country, and is a patriot. I'm sure we'd all agree that he is by far the better choice of current leaders if you compared him to those of Iraq, Iraq, China, N. Korea, Tanzania (the list goes on...).

Our troops are doing a job that most of us surely wouldn't do, or even conceive of doing. They are serving our country. Regardless of how misguided the cause, they are Americans protecting our American values and way of life. They deserve better than to see us carrying on and protesting. They deserve more than being taken for granted, or worse yet being despised by their own country.

Do I support war? No. Would I rather go to war than be forced to live by standards that are foreign to our way of life? Yup.
 
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Golden Gate Geckos said:
This has been a very stimulating and civil thread up until now. Let's try and keep it that way, guys!
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I'm keeping it civil :)

I'm just posing a question since he made such a generic statement
 
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Golden Gate Geckos said:
Heck, some of us even like to start little wars here on GeckoForums.net. (Right, Lyndsey?)
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I didn't see this before

If telling someone to stop being rude to me means I like to start little wars here, then yes I do
 
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My statement wasn't generic. I was talking about US Troops, obviously. It is my opinion that if you don't support the troops and the work that they do to insure our safety in our own homes, then you don't deserve to be in America.
 
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My statement wasn't generic. I was talking about US Troops, obviously. It is my opinion that if you don't support the troops and the work that they do to insure our safety in our own homes, then you don't deserve to be in America.
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It is my opinion that you're a ******* *****:main_yes:

Stop googling facts and trying to pass them off as your own knowledge. Which is what you did in an earlier post. Nice try though :)


Oh, and Robin...

It's really quite sad that someone of your age still enjoys being a raging **** on a message forum and trying to start drama

Wow, you're popular here and everyone thinks your **** doesn't stink. Congrats! I hope being popular on a message forum has made your life soooo much happier!


This is my last post here so I had to make it worthwhile :)
 
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Lyndsey said:
It is my opinion that you're a ******* *****:main_yes:

Stop googling facts and trying to pass them off as your own knowledge. Which is what you did in an earlier post. Nice try though :)


Oh, and Robin...

It's really quite sad that someone of your age still enjoys being a raging **** on a message forum and trying to start drama

Wow, you're popular here and everyone thinks your **** doesn't stink. Congrats! I hope being popular on a message forum has made your life soooo much happier!


This is my last post here so I had to make it worthwhile :)
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Pass them off as my own knowledge? Everything that I posted from a website, I posted the source. You're smart. :main_laugh:
 
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