Too Young a Male?/Hot One?

[GeckoGathering]

Hi.
I had planned using my new super snow male this season.
He is young, 1st year, up about 60 grams, and seems fit.
The only thing is he doesn't seem to be interested in the girls.
No tail vibrating. I put another snow in with the same female that the super showed no interest in, and they quickly mated.
He is very light color( as I requested) and possibly a trait of a high incubation temp....................
I have seen signs of what may possibly be a hot male.
Light color, no female interest, no vibrating of the tail in the presence of another male....................................
My 300 + dollar gecko question is:
Does anyone know or had an experience about age affecting a first year male from breeding? With success as he got older. I sure hope so, as
I hate the thought of not being able to use him. If its just holding him another year that would be no problem.......
Any information would certainly be appreciated.
Take care.

 

[CoolGeckos]

It could be the females not ovulating yet. Sometime, the male will just take their time and eventually will breed soon. Give it some time.

 

[Mel&Keith]

We have plenty of males who will only breed if the female is very ready. It's probably just that your females aren't in the right stage of ovulation and he knows it. Just because he's not very aggressive doesn't mean that he can't make a great breeder.

 

[GeckoGathering]

It could be the females not ovulating yet. Sometime, the male will just take their time and eventually will breed soon. Give it some time.

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Couldn't have been that the female was not ready, since ... I then quickly bred that same SS female to another one of my snow males.

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[Ccrashca069]

I have read here that sometimes with the higher temps before hatching they sometimes take longer before they will mate. They were talking about females but maybe in your case it might still be the same.

 

[Leopardbreeder]

That is a myth and is not true, John.

Like said above, give it time, he will get into the mood.

 

[Ccrashca069]

well myth or not it always strikes a debate. Maybe the male is still too young. Knowing the males hatch date might prove useful. All just suggestion.

 

[CoolGeckos]

Often males will be able to breed at about 3 to 5 months old with problem with good rising... I think it has to do with female not ovulating. At higher temperature when incubating it has nothing do with hot female. It a myth and try cool the male. Sometime, that will makes males thinking it winter and it had worked for me before.

 

[acpart]

I have had males that seemed uninterested when I put them in with the female but after leaving him there overnight for a couple of days it became obvious that they'd mated even though I never saw anything. Maybe he's just modest.

Aliza

 

[paulnj]

Matt you are wrong. Though "hot females" that don't breed are a myth, it has been posted (with scientific backing) that higher temp females take longer to mature sometimes.

 

[malt_geckos]

And lower temp males take longer to mature as well....Just because the male SS has a lot of white on him doesn't mean he was incubated at a higher temperature, We have a female SS that has a very reduced black striping with a lot of white on her and she wasn't incubated at a high temperature. With the SS, I don't think the temp effects their color as much as it does when you are dealing with albinos or brightly colored geckos, or geckos that have yellow on them.

Also, you may want to try and sex the male again. Sometimes, Mack Snows and Super Snows don't turn out to be the sex they were incubated for...I don't have any idea why, but it's common for them to be the opposite sex in which they were incubated for...so take another look and see if it's a male with definate pores. Good Luck! Let us know how it works out.

Mallorie

 

[paulnj]

Mallorie. I have a male that was incubated for female. He was ready to mate(rattling) at 37 grams I didn't mate him until 58 grams though.

 

[Stitch]

That is a myth and is not true, John.

Like said above, give it time, he will get into the mood.

Hot females will breed, it's just that they take longer to become sexually mature.

Cool the male for a few weeks and see if that doesn't change his mind. Or you could just leave him the cage longer, he may be shy.

 

[GeckoGathering]

Well Guys and gals I certainly appreciate your comments on my situation with my Super Snow Male.I've been going on what has been printed places and tried to consider the source for the opinion. I still have no answers to youth, previous lady friends, and possibility of a hot male.(be such a thing or not)But I am submitting a portion of a lengthy internet article I found that explains in more detail on what the
TDS (temp. dependent sex determination) does in addition to determining sex.A portion states:In the leopard gecko (Eublepharis macularius), incubation temperature, rather than sex chromosomes, determines sex, a process known as temperature-dependent sex determination (TSD). However, incubation temperature does more than establish the gonadal sex of the individual. Indeed, the temperature experienced during embryogeny accounts for much of the individual and sexual variation observed in adult morphology, endocrine physiology, and sociosexual behavior. Further, temperature-induced behavioral differences both between and within the sexes are reflected in differences in the size and metabolic activity of specific brain areas involved in the regulation of aggressive and sexual behaviors. Other factors, such as sexual experience and age are also important in brain organization and the development of an individual's sexuality. Full site link on request. Thanks again all and Take Care.

 

[ataber]

pretty sure a "hot" male doesnt exist..why? males are incubated at the higher temps. like mallorie said lower temp males may take longer to mature but not always as paul has shared. my advice just give it time and keep trying

 

[goReptiles]

But I am submitting a portion of a lengthy internet article I found that explains in more detail on what the
TDS (temp. dependent sex determination) does in addition to determining sex.A portion states:In the leopard gecko (Eublepharis macularius), incubation temperature, rather than sex chromosomes, determines sex, a process known as temperature-dependent sex determination (TSD). However, incubation temperature does more than establish the gonadal sex of the individual. Indeed, the temperature experienced during embryogeny accounts for much of the individual and sexual variation observed in adult morphology, endocrine physiology, and sociosexual behavior. Further, temperature-induced behavioral differences both between and within the sexes are reflected in differences in the size and metabolic activity of specific brain areas involved in the regulation of aggressive and sexual behaviors. Other factors, such as sexual experience and age are also important in brain organization and the development of an individual's sexuality. Full site link on request. Thanks again all and Take Care.
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I didn't quite understand... I'm currently having a similar problem with a male of mine. I've placed him with two females (separate instances), both were ovulating, and nothing. He lived with each female for near a month, and nothing. I have placed him back with the initial female, but so far, haven't seen any signs of mating.

 

[GeckoGathering]

Hot/NotSoHot

And lower temp males take longer to mature as well....Just because the male SS has a lot of white on him doesn't mean he was incubated at a higher temperature, We have a female SS that has a very reduced black striping with a lot of white on her and she wasn't incubated at a high temperature. With the SS, I don't think the temp effects their color as much as it does when you are dealing with albinos or brightly colored geckos, or geckos that have yellow on them.

Also, you may want to try and sex the male again. Sometimes, Mack Snows and Super Snows don't turn out to be the sex they were incubated for...I don't have any idea why, but it's common for them to be the opposite sex in which they were incubated for...so take another look and see if it's a male with definate pores. Good Luck! Let us know how it works out.

Mallorie

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Mallorie.
Thanks for all helpful comments.....My assumptions agree with you. I think the
youngster is a late bloomer. He definitely is not interested in performing on ready females as of yet. He is very light in the area of pores and with my 80 year old eyes and multi powered, lighted, magnifying glasses and it still being hard to verify ....... I wanted convinced if I had received a girl..(and please, I'm not a Michael Vick person) so......Still no tail rattling yet but he certainly will " fights boys."
Your (light/white) reduced stripe female is his description too. That helps me
plan to keep him until next season for breeding. I'm not for using youngsters
for breeding too soon, but he is the best looker male I have and I got that Anxious, what are they gonna look like feeling when I saw him.
Again, thanks to all for helping me in some decision making.
Take care all. HJ