Two sick geckos

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toadson

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This is my first post here, and I probably should have made an account here a long time ago. I have owned two leopard geckos- one since June of last year, and the other maybe 5-6 months. I'm almost positive they are both girls, despite being told the first one was a male when we bought it. The older one is a bright yellow with black spots, and the younger one is still a purple color with no spots as of yet. When we put her in the tank, the older one began wagging her tail, sort of like males do before they fight. I thought she was a boy for sure, but the pores are not dark like a male, and there are no bumps on the base of the tail.

Both geckos are housed in a 20 gallon tank which has two cave houses and a moist hide box, and they are housed only on paper towels. I'm very careful about making sure there is nothing they can accidentally swallow and get impacted. There are two underside heating pads, and we also have a heating lamp which we turn on during the colder days. I only feed them mealworms, because crickets are such a pain to keep around the house.

Anyway, here is my dilemma. The older one (which we named Les when we thought it was a boy), was eating like a horse at the end of last year, and really fattened up. Then all of a sudden, she quit eating and didn't eat for at least two months. She finally started eating again, up to 10 mealworms a day. After a few weeks, she stopped eating once again. She probably hasn't eaten a worm in at least a month or a month and a half. We have fed her some baby food, but she has no interest in worms. I believe she was impacted two weeks ago, and I gave her some olive oil and warms baths daily for a few days until she finally passed whatever was in her system. I was hoping she would start eating afterwards, but she is very lethargic and not interested in food. I've looked for eggs in her belly, but see nothing. She also keeps her eyes closed a lot, but when she opens them they aren't white or have any gunk in them.

The other gecko, named Olivia, used to eat quite a bit, but she never really fattened up. She stopped eating as well, began eating a few worms a day, then quit too. She isn't lethargic at all though, as she squirms her way out of my hands when I try holding her, and is as quick as ever. She seems to be having some sort of respiratory problems, because her throat will bulge out, sort of like a frog when she breathes. I've tried researching it, but have found nothing. I've noticed if I rub the edge of her mouth with a q-tip, she opens her mouth really wide. She also yawns often too, and sometimes sneezes. She hasn't ate in about a week, and is very skinny so I would like to get her eating again.

We do not have a herp vet anywhere close, so does anyone have any suggestions for what I should try? I've ordered a new batch of worms from nyworms, so they should have some fresh food soon. Sorry for such a long post, but I really want my geckos healthy again! Thanks!
 

acpart

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I think the best thing to do is to go to your local non-herp vet and ask them to reocmmend an exotics vet. There's a website that lists herp vets in different areas but I don't know what it is. The reason I'm suggesting this is because I really think they're going to need to see a vet.

Aliza
 

Holly12

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Yeah I agree that a vet is going to be a must sounds like they are not well and if you wait to long it could be fatal to them they could die so please go and fine a vet that deals with reptiles and I have 2 girl leos and when I got my 2 one the other girl i have would wag her tail from side to side at frist she is saying are you male or female? the other girl reponed right back to her and after that she was okay with having a girlfriend so thats why they do that males will vibrate the tip of thier tails like a rattle snake would do. :)
 
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toadson

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Their cold side of the tank is about 75*F, their humid hide box is 92*F, and the hot side is about the same as their hide box. I have tried soaking them before, and I've also put a little mineral oil in their baths as well to drive out any parasites that could be on their skin. I purchased some Reptaid tonight to try, along with some crickets. Les keeps laying her belly on objects, whether its their calcium bowl, a rock, or something else. I might start soaking her again in case she is still having digestion problems. I've looked for eggs, but haven't seen any.
 

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Not sure but I think that might be too big of a difference in temps.... maybe someone else can offer input. the cool side seems too cool.
 
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toadson

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I think Les may have some eggs forming in her belly. She has been laying on things in her cage the last few days, and I think I can see two round white spots in her belly. She barely moves around and has been very lethargic, so I'm hoping it's the eggs that are causing her to act like this.

Olivia has been acting weird the past few days. Aside from her usual freak outs when picking her up, she will sit in one position for hours at a time. Last night she was sitting and staring at the backdrop in their cage, and when I woke up the next morning she was in the exact same spot! When you pick her up, she franctically scrambles around and she can move really quickly. She obviously has a lot of energy still, but I'm unsure why she will sit and stare for hours on end.

On another note, I think one of my under tank heaters is shorting out or something. It is on the far end of the tank, and I've noticed the geckos staying on the cooler side this past week. I felt the glass where the heater pad is stuck on the underside, and it was extremely hot. The other pad, which is the exact same size and brand, was warm to the touch. I'm not sure what is wrong, but that pad was way too hot to be safe. I could only leave my fingers on it for a few seconds before it was too hot to touch. For now I'm heating the tank with one pad and a heat lamp to compensate for the other pad being unplugged. Hopefully this will help some, but it's hard to tell with these lizards.

Also, I did not get the Reptaid as mentioned earlier. Its actually repti-aid, so I don't think it will do much good.
 
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toadson

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Well I have bad news, Les just died. I was researching mouth rot, as I have noticed she had a red bump behind her eye and it seemed like maybe mouth rot was the cause. I was rubbing her mouth with a q-tip to try and get her to open it, and she bit down on it full force and would not let go. She did this a few times, and I didn't see any obvious signs of mouth rot. We mixed up some repti-aid and gave it to her in a syringe, and the whole time she was very weak. I decided to give her a bath, and while doing so she became very stiff and quit breathing. It was very sad to see her go, and I wish I could have found out what was wrong and helped her get better. I'm not sure if was some sort of stomach problems or what, but she still had plenty of weight still on her body and in her tail. I hope I can at least get our other gecko feeling better, but it's been a depressing night.
 
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Pepper

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I'm so sorry for your loss :(

That story is sounding eerily like what is happening to me now...
My Leo stopped eating for 2 months, and has now started eating again and has been eating every other day for the past week or so...His color has gone way pale and he was still fat up until a week or so ago, and then his tail started looking thinner...Except, I'm positive he is a boy, he's got pores and bulges...

The heat pad only needs to cover 1/3 of the tank, they digest through belly heat, so lamps are somewhat un-important. If the other pad felt really hot, but the temps were staying the same, you don't need to unplug it. I would also suggest bumping up your temps, the 75 should be around 80.

For my leo now, the one I was talking about, I bumped up his temps an outrageous amount, his hot spot is almost 99, but ever since that, he has been eating again and being A LOT more active and rushing out for food like he used too. Sometimes sick leo's need more heat to get better.
 
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toadson

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I measured my temps again with a thermometer gun and the cool side was 80*F, while the warm pad was about 100*. I can't imagine how hot the overheating pad was, as it felt MUCH hotter than the 100* one. I'll try plugging it in again though and measuring the temperature of it. One odd thing about Les is that she wasn't laying on a warm spot. She kept laying on the cool side of the tank for some reason. I just really hope I can get Olivia healthy again. I feel so terrible about not being able to save Les.
 

Saphira

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I am sorry. ((HUGS))

If your pad is shorting out..take it off.. I had that happened a few months ago too. You don't want to electrocute your other leo.
 

Kristi23

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I'm sorry for your loss. You need to keep your heat pads on a thermostat so they don't get too hot. As for your cool side, mine are anywhere from 73-80 and my geckos do fine with it. My warm side is always 92-94.

I hope the other gecko gets better.
 

Krow

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When I feed my leo worms I hand feed her. I have super worms, but what I do is take the worms & hold it right in the middle of it's body with its head pointing up to your wrist. Dip it's tail in calcium & just barely touch it to your leos nose it get him to lick it. My leo will lick the calcium a little bit, then grabs the worms & just chugs it down.

You might could try that & see if it'll work, it always works for my leo, she loves calcium.
 
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toadson

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Well good news, Olivia finally ate! Her eyes had been swollen, so we have been putting in drops and also giving her the repti-aid and some anti-bacterial stuff, and her eyes look normal again and she about a few mealworms. I hope we can keep her healthy this time. I think her temps may have been too low, but they should be fine now.
 

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