unexpected albino...

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I didn't mean to hijack another thread, so I'm starting this one...

to catch up.... please read this thread first... as opposed to telling the story again....

also, batteries are charging or I would have posted better pics of the parents...updated ones. I was fortunate enough to snap a couple quick pics of the baby...

here was the sire...

Jacob. 100% het tremper now proven. (Poss giant (122g at his best))
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this is the "poss het bell" female i paired him with... before i get all the slack AGAIN... please read the other thread. (her father was a POSS het, mother a normal)
when i first got her she was REALLY Dark... (and thin...)
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Still thin in this pic, but shows her change in colour.
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In breeding her to this normal male (het tremper) I wasn't expecting an albino. and I didn't get one.... UNTIL the last clutch.
all the babies were normal... but this albino popped up.

(pics today)
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unfortunately his eyes didn't stay "glowing" like when he hatched, but still nice..

I just don't know what he is...

is my 100% tremper het bell also?

Is my possible het bell... actually het tremper (as there was an incubator issue the around the time the mother was born(all in other post))

I hate proving geckos....LOL

cheers.
 
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This tells you it is time to either cull the geckos and all theor offspring for the sake of keeping the genetics clean for everyone, or retiring all of them from breeding permanently and keeping them all as pets. You don't know what you have 100% for any of the geckos. That is bad news and very frowned upon. If you ever plan to be respected as a breeder you will follow my advice as well as the others.
 
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I did.... in the other post i explained...... i bred him to 3 trempers.... all producing albinos. ONE of them only produced 1, the rest normals.... and this one (normal POSS het bell) only produced 1 albino.
 
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NO, she's been too small till this year... She's 4yrs old, but I got her as an adult 2 years ago... the guy I got her from bred her, but as you can see in the first couple of pics... was WAY too thin to even think about it... she's 53 or 56g right now... I could breed her to a bell this spring, but i bred her to the tremper last spring... I'd be worried about retained sperm...
 
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StellarExotics said:
NO, she's been too small till this year... She's 4yrs old, but I got her as an adult 2 years ago... the guy I got her from bred her, but as you can see in the first couple of pics... was WAY too thin to even think about it... she's 53 or 56g right now... I could breed her to a bell this spring, but i bred her to the tremper last spring... I'd be worried about retained sperm...
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I would really recommend that you at least retire the female and get a tremper or something with definite het tremper. You really don't know for sure what is going on here, she could have multiple albino strains in her or just one but you don't really know. It would take a lot of time to prove it out and it would really not be worth it in my opinion.

That baby does not look like a bell, it looks tremper to me, which means that there is some kind of het tremper from the female who you think is also het bell, it is really a mess.

Edit: The eyes do look a little bell(lighter than trempers, more of a pink) but it is hard to tell.
 
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I think you should get a better eye pic so a bell expert can tell if it is. It could be that you proved the possible het to be an actual het bell. And maybe found out your het Tremper is also het bell. But try to get a super clear close up eye pic.
 
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Seems to me that it would be very time consuming and costly to prove or disprove which albino strain (s) are present. Why not just start fresh with what's known and let the others be kept or sold as pet only? Plenty of folks look for a pet at a reasonable price.
 
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From the responses you got, there seems to be a continuum of what to do based on how sure a person wants to be about not mixing albino strains. At one extreme is the suggestion to stop breeding all of them (and even more extreme - cull all the offspring). At the other extreme, though not explicitly suggested, is to just continue what you're doing. I generally like to go for the middle ground. I suggest you let this surprise albino baby mature a bit, get consensus on whether it seems to be a Tremper or Bell. If the consensus is that it's Tremper, I'd recommending not breeding the female possible het Bell and proceeding with the others as Trempers. If that albino turns out to be Bell, you'll have to ask me again after I think about it.

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That is exactly what my problem with that is. He should be prepared to cull or permanently home all those pets and make sure they are never bred if it proves to be carrying both albino strains.
 
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You know, this thread is really annoying... As the title states.... it's UNEXPECTED ALBINO... you all are talking like I meant for this to happen. For your information all babies from this pair were ALREADY given away "as pets" except for this male, another male normal... He's supper spotted more-so than his mother.. and this one's sibling there was 14 babies in total.. I have 3 of them still.

I bred her to this male in hopes for big, really spotty normals... not to prove or dis prove a het. I do not currently have a bell male anyway so she is UNPROVEN possible het. it IS possible that eggs did get switched up 4 years ago..

As for this baby I think IMO it's a Tremper. I believe so whole hartedly... I have a hypo female Jungle giant tremper albino...and a Tremper sunglow their eyes are almost white... they are lighter than any bell I have ever seen, and they're 100%proven visual tremper. I also have trempers with the normal "silvery/grey" eyes..
they eyes of this baby are also BUSY like most trempers... I find my bells iris' are almost patternless.
 
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StellarExotics said:
You know, this thread is really annoying... As the title states.... it's UNEXPECTED ALBINO... you all are talking like I meant for this to happen. For your information all babies from this pair were ALREADY given away "as pets" except for this male, another male normal... He's supper spotted more-so than his mother.. and this one's sibling there was 14 babies in total.. I have 3 of them still.

I bred her to this male in hopes for big, really spotty normals... not to prove or dis prove a het. I do not currently have a bell male anyway so she is UNPROVEN possible het. it IS possible that eggs did get switched up 4 years ago..

As for this baby I think IMO it's a Tremper. I believe so whole hartedly... I have a hypo female Jungle giant tremper albino...and a Tremper sunglow their eyes are almost white... they are lighter than any bell I have ever seen, and they're 100%proven visual tremper. I also have trempers with the normal "silvery/grey" eyes..
they eyes of this baby are also BUSY like most trempers... I find my bells iris' are almost patternless.
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Regardless of the albino being "Unexpected", you still bred with the knowledge that you were possibly crossing two albinos, that is what everyone is trying to say. You are now left with a mess and you don't seem to want to accept it.
 
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This is where you are wrong.. I have accepted it... I will not be breeding these baby geckos to any others. Until the mother is proven. I will test breed the female to a BELL male. If she produces albinos, then this proves my male is also het bell. Which THEN I'm screwed. I get that. Cryptus shall be one very Happy Beardie.

Until then, what's done is done... there's no changing it... I am done with this thread.

cheers.
 
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