W&Y

[MXWreptile]

This is our W&Y male, we are very excited about this project...

Max

 

[KelliH]

It's very pretty. I am so confused about this morph. What traits does it have to distinguish it from a Hypo? I mean no disrespect at all, it's a beautiful gecko, but I guess I am having a hard time understanding what a W&Y really is. Please someone help explain it to me!

 

[MXWreptile]

They are believed to be polygenetic/dominant. I will prove it an post my results next year. But typical for them are the paradox markings. Look at the tail, he has a big black paradox marking.


Max

 

[cassadaga]

Some seem to look like Enigmas, but a little different, and some look like hypos. Which are the real W&Y?

 

[herpencounter]

They are believed to be polygenetic/dominant. I will prove it an post my results next year. But typical for them are the paradox markings. Look at the tail, he has a big black paradox marking.


Max

I think the paradox type spotting (spoting or spotting???) is going to show whether it is a w&y or not... I don't think I have seen a w&y without a paradox spot... I have not seen many either. :main_laugh: :main_laugh: :main_laugh: :main_rolleyes:

J.

 

[MXWreptile]

Not all of them have it.


Max

 

[herpencounter]

Not all of them have it.


Max

Ah... Well I have yet to see one lol.

 

[MXWreptile]

But most of them have it, as I told before. I think it is a cool morph to work with. We will cross him with many different animals, to produce a huge variety of crosses. And time will tell I think...



Max

 

[KelliH]

Some seem to look like Enigmas, but a little different, and some look like hypos. Which are the real W&Y?

That why it is confusing to me. I hope to hear more about this morph in the future.

 

[MXWreptile]

They vary in pattern. The originals came from Belarus. They were sold to LAG and Gekon Lublin in Poland. I acquired mine from LAG. They both got them from the originator. All animals that are labeled as W&Y and come from Poland should be real W&Y.



Max

 

[Gazz]

It's very pretty. I am so confused about this morph. What traits does it have to distinguish it from a Hypo ?.

There seems to be a couple traits but it's still not easy peasy as they do resemble hypo.Calicos pattern looks to be shoved up to the top half of the body.Giving a all over white sided look that in most spreads into the tail.Bottom half of the tail patternless and top half spottted.Calicos often have paradox spots some where on them.IMO they look like what you'd get if you put a Enigma & Snow & Hypo in to a pot mixed them to gether result Calico.They seem to have traits from each of them and some time more of one than the other'etc.

 

[cj.thomas21]

cool gecko.

 

[Griesi]

Hi Max,

just a short question: You got this animal from Konrad?

Thanks,

Karsten

 

[GekkoGalaksen]

I have breed my W/Y male to so many different females this year...and I was sure that I would be able to tell something about the genetic, but no.

I have also been pretty unsure on many babies..."is this a W/Y or not???".
But if fx GeckLublin is sure about his W/Y, and after some comparing, 95%+ of my babies is W/Y. Acctully I have only hatched one that I am sure is a "normal".

The babies looks very different depending on what female they comes from. And yes, some develope big spots, but many don´t.

Then we have these babies that hatch black, and there is some that looks like snow even though there is no snow whatever in them. And some just looks different,lol.

Well, I have given a big part of the project to a friend that have potensial to go to the bottom with the genetic. And I hope he will have more answers for me and the rest of the worl next year. Me...I will keep on breeding my "old" W/Y male to normal females and the "black" one.

 

[MXWreptile]

Hi Max,

just a short question: You got this animal from Konrad?

Thanks,

Karsten

Yes Karsten,

from his original male, which he acquired from the originator from Belarus.



Max

 

[Griesi]

It`s a nice animal, but keep in mind, that Konrad`s animals look very different than any other W&Y-lines around. Kongrads to the angramainyu, by the way!

Thanks
Karsten

 

[MXWreptile]

It`s a nice animal, but keep in mind, that Konrad`s animals look very different than any other W&Y-lines around. Kongrads to the angramainyu, by the way!

Thanks
Karsten

Thanks Karsten,

they both got them from the originator, as I know. And Gekon Lublin made many crosses, maybe that is why they look different. Could you post pictures of your W&Y? And do you have any idea about the genetics?



Max

 

[Griesi]

Not only Konrad and gekonlublin are working with the animals directly from Belarus. I found an older post on another forum that shows how the animals looked like after years of linebreeding within the original line (sorry for bringing a post of another forum up):
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...ther-eublepharis/26924-super-eublepharis.html

Judge by yourself. Have you seen Konrad at Hamm this year, I would have needed to speak with him but couldn`t find him?
I`ll need at least another year to clear the genetics. Right now, I`m tending towards a simple dominant mutation, being largely influenced by linebreeding. But to my knowledge, gekonlublin are the biggest and most dedicated breeder of this morph, so you might ask them.


Thanks
Karsten

 

[KelliH]

Thank you Lotta and Karsten for the information. I read the thread on Geckos Unlimited and I am more confused than before. Lotta what does the dark baby look like and do you think it is a "super" form of the W&Y? Can you post a photo? Please...

 

[MXWreptile]

I would say, everyone who own "W&Y" pair them, and we open a thread where we post pictures of the babies, so we can compare. And if everyone help to start this thread, we can maybe discover the secret genetics of his "morph".



Max