WARNING-California AB1122 Hearing on Wednesday 4/6/09

[PacHerp]

I just got this e-mail for USARK - please read through this and call those listed... this CANNOT happen! The first 'offense' of selling a reptile in California would be a fine up to $250 - the second 'offense' would be a MISDEMEANOR!! This is serious stuff guys... please send your e-mails, and most imoprtantly call the numbers available and voice your concern about this bill.

------ START OF USARK EMAIL --------

Time to get back to work and flex a little Grass Roots Muscle. The Humane Society of the United States has a bill, AB1122, up for hearing before the CA General Assembly Appropriations Committee this Wednesday. This bill seeks to BAN the sale of animals that are NOT "traditionally" sold through pet shops. This would include many different animals INCLUDING Herps. This is an attempt to end ALL Reptile Shows and "face to face" sales that are the basis for much of how the middle and high end of our market distributes animals. It would eliminate almost ALL sales except from pet shops. Reptile Shows and open air auctions/sales would come to an end in CA.


Please don't let this happen! We need to generate hundreds of phone calls and emails to the Committee Members


Click here to read AB1122


Click here for Email Campaign against AB1122!!





Phone List:


Kevin de Leon - Chair Dem-45 (916) 319-2045
Jim Nielsen - Vice Chair Rep-2 (916) 319-
Tom Ammiano Dem-13 (916) 319-2013
Charles M. Calderon Dem-58 (916) 319-2058
Mike Davis Dem-48 (916) 319-2048
Michael D. Duvall Rep-72 (916) 319-2072
Felipe Fuentes Dem-39 (916) 319-2039
Isadore Hall III Dem-52 (916) 319-2052
Diane L. Harkey Rep-73 916) 319-2073
Jeff Miller Rep-71 (916) 319-2071
John A. P�rez Dem-46 (916) 319-2046
Curren D. Price Jr. Dem-51 (916) 319-2051
Nancy Skinner Dem-14 (916) 319-2014
Jose Solorio Dem-69 (916) 319-2069
Audra Strickland Rep-37 (916) 319-2037
Tom Torlakson Dem-11 (916) 319-2011

 

[Nigel4less]

Another day, another bill....

 

[shadowx362]

AH! Can't people just catch a break? Another thing to worry about in life

 

[lillith]

Can someone explain how this hurts the animals? They're banning the sale of them at street fairs and flea markets. I think it would reduce "impulse buying" of pets. It sounds reasonable, it even makes exceptions for livestock and "live animal" expos.

Did I read the text wrong?

 

[shadowx362]

What I understood was that regular people can't sell or buy reptiles unless they come from a pet store.

 

[Haligren]

Jeez. Why can't they just pass a bill on keeping reptiles in descent conditions in pet stores rather than just getting rid of them all together? Oh, wait. That makes too much sense.

 

[thestack510]

Thanks for posting, Brittney.

 

[spykerherps]

Thanks for posting Brittney
Even though I don't live in cali anymore have already sent a few e mails. will sent some more.
We just have to stick together and do these simple things when they come around. thanks for the links.

 

[cassadaga]

I think this bill is reasonable. It wont put an end to reptile expos, or hurt our hobby at all. The bill is aimed at irresponsible people who breed (purposely or accidentally) their dogs or cats and try to sell them outside of WalMart. Unless I'm missing something, I see nothing in it that will have an effect on us.

 

[DarthGekko]

I think this bill is reasonable. It wont put an end to reptile expos, or hurt our hobby at all. The bill is aimed at irresponsible people who breed (purposely or accidentally) their dogs or cats and try to sell them outside of WalMart. Unless I'm missing something, I see nothing in it that will have an effect on us.

No offense, but once you let the goverment know that we will live with a little less freedom then they will try to narrow our existing freedoms even more. You can never budge on an issue like this. Today it's flea markets and tomorrow it's shows and breeders. Thanks for posting this Brittney. I already sent my email in...

 

[cassadaga]

Normally I would agree with you, Darth, but there is way too big of a problem with unwanted cats and dogs. Clearly we refuse to take responsibilty and regulate ourselves at all, so the government is acting.

 

[Gecko Euphoria]

Dude the Humane society of the US needs to just set down and think about what they are trying to do. I was a strong supporter of the society and donated $2500 to them last year to help with takeing care of homeless pets, man I am peeved, I swear if they keep it up they are going to end up hurting themselves rather than helping themselves, what are they going to do when they have burnt all the bridges in the pet trade and the people like myself who donate to there group stop handing over the money? I tell you what will happen they wont be able to operate they need to just stop there assnine ways they are thinking and really think about what they are proposeing, without income from animal sales those who sell in the pet trade wiil definatly not be donateing to them any more. I for one am done with them... I adopted three dogs in the past from them and have donated thousand s of dollars to them over the years, but that stops today.

I'm so sick of hearing there stupids bills and endeavors they just dont have a clue instead of focusing on the real issues they are putting every thing they have into something that does'ntmake much sense, and its just to vaige they need to get with it, what will this bill help, it will just put good people behind bars for a crime that honestly doesnt hold a candle to the crimes being commited every day in this country, we as a people should be focused on the bigger issues in life like weather or not our country is gonna pull through these hard times instead of trying to hurt this economy and the good people who's lively hoods and hobbies will be put to an end with there stupid bills, man what a joke. good luck thanks Brittney for letting us know about this we all need to pull together on this one and every thing else that may come in this fashion. God Bless us !!!!!

I just got this e-mail for USARK - please read through this and call those listed... this CANNOT happen! The first 'offense' of selling a reptile in California would be a fine up to $250 - the second 'offense' would be a MISDEMEANOR!! This is serious stuff guys... please send your e-mails, and most imoprtantly call the numbers available and voice your concern about this bill.

------ START OF USARK EMAIL --------

Time to get back to work and flex a little Grass Roots Muscle. The Humane Society of the United States has a bill, AB1122, up for hearing before the CA General Assembly Appropriations Committee this Wednesday. This bill seeks to BAN the sale of animals that are NOT "traditionally" sold through pet shops. This would include many different animals INCLUDING Herps. This is an attempt to end ALL Reptile Shows and "face to face" sales that are the basis for much of how the middle and high end of our market distributes animals. It would eliminate almost ALL sales except from pet shops. Reptile Shows and open air auctions/sales would come to an end in CA.


Please don't let this happen! We need to generate hundreds of phone calls and emails to the Committee Members


Click here to read AB1122


Click here for Email Campaign against AB1122!!





Phone List:


Kevin de Leon - Chair Dem-45 (916) 319-2045
Jim Nielsen - Vice Chair Rep-2 (916) 319-
Tom Ammiano Dem-13 (916) 319-2013
Charles M. Calderon Dem-58 (916) 319-2058
Mike Davis Dem-48 (916) 319-2048
Michael D. Duvall Rep-72 (916) 319-2072
Felipe Fuentes Dem-39 (916) 319-2039
Isadore Hall III Dem-52 (916) 319-2052
Diane L. Harkey Rep-73 916) 319-2073
Jeff Miller Rep-71 (916) 319-2071
John A. P�rez Dem-46 (916) 319-2046
Curren D. Price Jr. Dem-51 (916) 319-2051
Nancy Skinner Dem-14 (916) 319-2014
Jose Solorio Dem-69 (916) 319-2069
Audra Strickland Rep-37 (916) 319-2037
Tom Torlakson Dem-11 (916) 319-2011

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Just a heads up...I'm guessing the date should read Wednesday, 5/6/2009.

 

[whkrazyk]

thanks for posting britt., we all need to stick together on this, even if your not from cali. If this passes in cali. you can bet your fav. gecko that it will sweep across the nation like the swine flu, I myself am going to write and call everyone.

 

[PacHerp]

Thanks to everyone who has sent e-mails in.... I'm going to be calling everyone on the assembly today and voicing my concern about this bill... I urge those who live in California to do the same. Phone calls go a LONG way with bills like this one...

 

[Halley]

It shall be unlawful for any person to willfully sell,
display , or offer for sale or give away as part
of a commercial transaction , a live animal on any street,
highway, public right-of-way, commercial parking lot, or at any
outdoor special sale, swap meet, flea market, parking lot sale,
carnival, or boardwalk.

I don’t see anything in there that says reptile shows or online sales will be affects. I have to agree with cassadaga.

I think this bill is reasonable. It wont put an end to reptile expos, or hurt our hobby at all. The bill is aimed at irresponsible people who breed (purposely or accidentally) their dogs or cats and try to sell them outside of WalMart. Unless I'm missing something, I see nothing in it that will have an effect on us.

 

[LizMarie]

No offense, but once you let the goverment know that we will live with a little less freedom then they will try to narrow our existing freedoms even more. You can never budge on an issue like this. Today it's flea markets and tomorrow it's shows and breeders. Thanks for posting this Brittney. I already sent my email in...

No Offense but if that's the case I hope your not one of the one's that gets angry or annoyed about leos that are being sold sick and half dead and are being kept in crappy conditions before being sold and the neglectful and ignorant owners that only take the advice that they receive from those sellers that sell on street corners, flea markets, etc and are just trying to make a quick buck by telling you that they WILL be able to live in that critter keeper w/o heat, etc. Shouldn't those people be punished for cruelty to animals and taking advantage of people, mostly children that are naive to believe everything that they are told?

Maybe I'm wrong and not reading as far into it as I should but thats just my opinion.

 

[Nigel4less]

"It shall be unlawful for any person to willfully sell,
display , or offer for sale or give away as part
of a commercial transaction , a live animal on any street,
highway, public right-of-way, commercial parking lot, or at any
outdoor special sale, swap meet, flea market, parking lot sale,
carnival, or boardwalk."

Now who is to say what defines a "Swap Meet, Flea Market, or Special Sale". I guess the NARBC, HerpWorld Expo, Reptile Super Shows, etc, etc could be defined as a special sale, or as a Flea Market or swap meet. All I can say is if this does pass, it just opens up a whole can of worms for the rest of the nation to deal with... Whether you agree with this legislation 1% or 100% all I ask is that you just submit a letter, it will take two seconds out of your day to put your name at the bottom of a TEMPLATED letter...

Maybe I`m ignorant, but if this was happening in FL, NY/PA/NJ, or any other major reptile breeders "haven", I would hope you guys would be up in arms...

My 2 cents.

 

[cassadaga]

Nigel, I would be worried about how much they could stretch the definition of fleamarket too, if they didn't make it clear that expos will be legit.

(e) This section shall not apply to the following:
(1) Events held by 4-H Clubs, Junior Farmers Clubs, or Future
Farmers Clubs.
(2) California Exposition and State Fair or county fairs.
(3) Stockyards with respect to which the Secretary of the United
States Department of Agriculture has posted notice that the
stockyards are regulated by the federal Packers and Stockyards Act (7
U.S.C. Sec. 181 et seq.).
(4) The sale of cattle on consignment at any public cattle sales
market; the sale of sheep on consignment at any public sheep sales
market; the sale of swine on consignment at any public swine sales
market; the sale of goats on consignment at any public goat sales
market; and the sale of equine on consignment at any public equine
sales market.
(5) Live animal markets regulated under Section 597.3.
(6) A public animal control agency or shelter, society for the
prevention of cruelty to animals shelter, humane society shelter, or
rescue group regulated under Division 14 (commencing with Section
30501) of the Food and Agricultural Code. For purposes of this
section, "rescue group" is a not-for-profit entity whose primary
purpose is the placement of dogs, cats, or other animals that have
been removed from a public animal control agency or shelter, society
for the prevention of cruelty to animals shelter, or humane society
shelter, or that have been surrendered or relinquished to the entity
by the previous owner.

I think we're all just a bit paranoid after a bill as ridiculous as HR669!

 

[Nigel4less]

Nigel, I would be worried about how much they could stretch the definition of fleamarket too, if they didn't make it clear that expos will be legit.



I think we're all just a bit paranoid after a bill as ridiculous as HR669!

Paranoid is what's keeping things like this from passing, In my opinion.