What could have caused this

biggoofybastard

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Tang, our SHTCTB, had quit eating about 2 months ago when we had a cold snap here, she hadn't lost any weight (she went from 50 grams to 48) and her belly had gotten a bit bigger so I assumed she was either ovulating or brumating. she accidently bred with our male who I thought was too young to try (only 24 grams) when I had them out and about together about a week or so ago

Her belly was getting bigger like the eggs were growing inside, so we were getting excited to have our first offspring possibly on the way.

Today I woke up to her running out of her hide with her eyes closed and wouldn't open them when I tapped the glass, when I lifted her up her belly looked like that, within two hours she was dead. I cut her open after work and it was a hemorrhage, and there was a large sac that was filled with whitish liqiud which I assume was an egg? but I'm no biology major.

Her temps were 92-95 hot side with an UTH and about 73-74 cool side.
 

SophiaDarcie

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She could of been egg bound. Next time you suspect a gecko to be gravid please keep an eye on the tummy. Geckos take anywhere from 2-4 weeks to lay a set of eggs, if it takes a long time then a vet visit is needed, and can save the life of the gecko. Her liver also looks horribly enlarged. You should of seen it getting bigger if you paid attention to her tummy... simply letting a gecko be while gravid for a couple months with no eggs isn't the right thing to do. When my girls are at the 2 week mark I start checking bellies.
 

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Tang, our SHTCTB, had quit eating about 2 months ago when we had a cold snap here, she hadn't lost any weight (she went from 50 grams to 48) and her belly had gotten a bit bigger so I assumed she was either ovulating or brumating. she accidently bred with our male who I thought was too young to try (only 24 grams) when I had them out and about together about a week or so ago

Her belly was getting bigger like the eggs were growing inside, so we were getting excited to have our first offspring possibly on the way.

Today I woke up to her running out of her hide with her eyes closed and wouldn't open them when I tapped the glass, when I lifted her up her belly looked like that, within two hours she was dead. I cut her open after work and it was a hemorrhage, and there was a large sac that was filled with whitish liqiud which I assume was an egg? but I'm no biology major.

Her temps were 92-95 hot side with an UTH and about 73-74 cool side.

egg binding is only one option. when you see her at first did her belly look kinda green/blue and bruised a kinda large area? sometimes for whatever reason (not due to egg binding) an egg will rupture inside the female. it is fatal. the gecko goes septic and dies VERY quickly!

i can not tell you which one it was with your gecko but that is another option to egg binding
 

snakegirl

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i dont see a egg, or eggs in the photo, if she was So large, and egg bond you should be able to see a egg or a large round white mass, i do see something that could have been a egg, It might or could have Broken up inside her system killing her, however if this was Possible your time frame is very wrong, and if it has only been a week, you wouldn't be Near Full term eggs to even start being bound..... and if she was eating and passing food i would mark that out all together, with even that Crossed out Under the same rules, Impaction is also something i would rule Out.


Even though she didn't eat for 2 months i still wouldn't say it was impaction, she could have had a worms, If she had stopped eating its a big *no no* to put another gecko with her...Breeding is even worse, She could have had worms, and without treatment the worms would have spread, And when worms get very packed in a reptiles system they look bloated.
(giving the idea she could have had eggs, however this isnt the case she didnt have eggs, it was worms)

at that point you should have reached a vet, because remember a gecko that doesn't eat, Cant put on Healthy weight.

Having her bred would have kicked her system even Harder to start developing eggs, which in-deed would have been way to hard on her weak system and would have killed her....Since you did have her with your male, i would take caution and treat him for worms, or any other reptiles you own, if you dont keep your hands clean as you handle your reptiles...good luck
 

robin

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the gecko in that photo looks like a well fed animal to me. a lack of eating could be because of ovulation, also the appearing full or fat or tight in the tummy.the loss of 2 grams is not a significant amount.
although a 24 gram male could technically breed her it is not likely. i am more leaning towards an egg rupturing than parasites (doesnt matter if the egg is fertile or not). those photos looks like a ruptured egg and when it does that it causes other internal problem sometimes like damaging the liver causing internal bleeding.
 

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I had a gecko recently that was fine and eating (and not gravid) die suddenly. When she died, she had something that you'd think was an egg protruding from her side. I did a necroscopy with my non-reptile vet brother and the protrusion turned out to be a fat pad. The only thing we could think of as cause of death was some kind of aneurysm or hemorrhage.

Aliza
 

biggoofybastard

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She could of been egg bound. Next time you suspect a gecko to be gravid please keep an eye on the tummy. Geckos take anywhere from 2-4 weeks to lay a set of eggs, if it takes a long time then a vet visit is needed, and can save the life of the gecko. Her liver also looks horribly enlarged. You should of seen it getting bigger if you paid attention to her tummy... simply letting a gecko be while gravid for a couple months with no eggs isn't the right thing to do. When my girls are at the 2 week mark I start checking bellies.

My first post was written at 4 am after a long night at work, and coming home to dealing with her and my upset girlfriend, so it might have given the wrong impression on a couple of things

It wasn't egg binding, the one egg that was inside her wasn't formed yet, I didn't see any impaction in her, her intestines looked empty. I had been looking at her belly, I usually do with all of my leos whenever i pick them up. up until yesterday her belly was white like all of my other ones. she had only been gravid for about a week, not two months. She ate a superworm about three weeks ago (after I moved her from the communal tank to her own 10 gallon) and passed it fine.

I've had reptiles before and I've worked in a petstore (unfortunately, NEVER work in one if you love animals!) I know what they look like when theyre sick, she didn't lose any significant weight other than some girth from her tail when she started producing the egg, but she still had lots to spare, her eyes weren't sunken, she was active up until the day she died.

The breeding was accidental, I had her and casanova out with me on the floor while i was watching tv, when I looked down at them he was doing the deed, I didn't plan on breeding her until she started eating again. He was not left in her tank with her.

I didn't see any worms in her, but I have bad eyes from my diabetes and I know a lot aren't visable to the naked eye.

I have included three pics, the first on is from just after we got her from the petstore that I worked at, the other two are her and how thick her tail was from about a month before she quit eating, and is pretty much waht she looked like up until her death.

EDIT: I should also say she shed fine the day before but regurgitated the shed
 
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biggoofybastard

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I had a gecko recently that was fine and eating (and not gravid) die suddenly. When she died, she had something that you'd think was an egg protruding from her side. I did a necroscopy with my non-reptile vet brother and the protrusion turned out to be a fat pad. The only thing we could think of as cause of death was some kind of aneurysm or hemorrhage.

Aliza

That sounds similar, the white patches in her belly looked like they were fat to me, but I'm definitely no vet lol
 

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