What I have learned... Leos vs. Bettas

BettaDragon

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Out of boredom I looked into my betta breeding past and I realized some of the reasons I left that hobby. Just some funny comparisons from the betta world to the leo world. These are just things I’ve found in my experience, this is not meant to offend anyone. I found the betta hobby fun but it didn’t reward me very well despite the time and money I put into it. This is not meant to make fun of anyone in particular (well maybe a few particular betta breeders…) and there’s nothing wrong with keeping bettas. I still have one myself. This is just a comparison that really makes fun of myself for pretty much wasting most of my time for much of my life and a thousands of dollars breeding fish. I hope you all enjoy. This is for comedic purposes only, don’t read into anything too deeply.

Leos
1. Some morph names.
2. No shows or competitions.
3. Culling is not so much talked about.
4. No elitist organizations.
5. No elitist shows to declare a morph a “fault”.
6. Complicated genetics.
7. Leos don’t get bored easily.
8. Simple spot cleaning.
9. Dust the food, put it in the bowl.
10. Breeds easily.
11. No water. No water chemicals.
12. Not very disease prone and if they do get sick, there’s always the vet.
13. “Well this leo is very yellow, I’ll call it a high yellow!”
14. General response in the Show of your Leos, “Oh, such a pretty little leo!”
15. The general opinion is to breed healthy animals.
16. You can go to a convention and buy the newest morph out there.
17. You get to know the community very well.
18. Heated arguments about everything.

Bettas
1. Every single strain has a name, some have a couple names for the same thing, some breeders “copyright” strain names so that means if someone else has the same type of fish, you guessed it, another name for the same strain.
2. Tons of shows and competitions, for a breeder to be considered “good” by some their fish must have won prizes. Yes…a fish show is very much like a dog show…with water…they even have to flare on command…
3. The “best” breeders have a “when in doubt, cull” attitude and yes that is a direct quote from a breeder. Culling is performed by unceremoniously dumping the fish onto the lawn. Hey, free fertilizer, right? :rolleyes:
4. The lovely International Betta Congress… You must be a part of it to be considered a “good” breeder. They take your fees with a promise to send you a magazine and tons of archived articles about bettas, no such thing ever came for me…
5. Veil tails, the tail type of some of the first pet bettas, is considered a “fault” in most shows. If you like the tail type, tough luck, most breeders consider it a “waste” to put effort into breeding them.
6. Simple genetics, for the most part all line breeding.
7. Far too intelligent for their own good. When they get bored, the males will shred their fins and lots of other random things will occur.
8. Siphon spot cleaning.
9. Thaw then rinse the food and remove whatever was uneaten. Check back in a couple hours to see if the fish decided to be a chipmunk and store food in its mouth only to not want it later.
10. Elaborate breeding set up and breeding really depends on how good of a father your male wants to be.
11. Water quality problems, bettas are not very clean fish, in my experience males are worse…much like the human species… Oh yes, and don’t forget all the water chemicals.
12. Though hardier than most fish, they are certainly more prone to diseases than leos. Ever find a fish vet? Me neither, good luck stocking your fishy medicine cabinet and diagnosing things on your own.
13. “Well this betta is very yellow, I’ll call it a non-red!” Seriously…it ain’t any other color either. (There is a reason for this one but this is to be humorous, not scientific)
14. General response in the Show off your Betta Forum, “…” General response in the Betta Critique Forum, “The anal fin is far too long, the lobes of the tail are uneven, and is that a CURL in the fin?! Oh you better not be posting no veil tail on this board!”
15. The general opinion is to breed animals with fins so huge that they have problems moving.
16. You can import the newest strain from Thailand and hope it makes it.
17. You don’t want to know the community.
18. Heated arguments about everything.
 
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Foreverandever

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Spot on about the bettas :main_yes:

I love bettas and have been keeping them for years. I actually like veil tails the best...even though they are the "basic" bettas. Like normals are for leos. I have a yellow (well yellow-ish) betta named Kita. Got him a few days ago. And he's a veil tail
 

Haligren

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Wow! I didn't realize bettas had such a culture to them. It seems stupid that pet stores sell them in those little bowls and people think they're "happy" in there. My mother-in-law had to babysit a betta for a girl in her office. The poor thing was in a small fish bowl with ridiculously colored pebbles and so many fake plants it could hardly move. Its fins looked ragged and its color very dim. It looked like at one time it must have been a very pretty yellow-orange with even more orange tips to its fins.

For whatever reason my mother-in-law didn't think there was anything wrong with it. It was apparently still eating so obviously that's a sign that its not going to die, right? Ugh. Poor, misunderstood fish. :<

Apparently, goldfish have an equally ridiculous culture.
 
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lizardlove

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10. Elaborate breeding set up and breeding really depends on how good of a father your male wants to be.

Interesting! That's why I prefer leos to PEOPLE.
 

BettaDragon

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My opinion about veil tails is there are some gorgeous ones, and there are some down right ugly ones. I've had more veil tails than anything else in my betta keeping days (which is my whole life, lol). It really depends on the span of the tail for me. If there's a minimal tail span they tend to look droopy and depressed their whole lives. I really do think it's a shame they're banned from shows though because they're some of my favorite fish to work with. There really are some nice ones and they have great temperaments. They don't blow tails too often and they're aren't super aggressive like crown tails. Ignore my little rant...when it comes to bettas I think I can only rant about them...


Wow! I didn't realize bettas had such a culture to them. It seems stupid that pet stores sell them in those little bowls and people think they're "happy" in there. My mother-in-law had to babysit a betta for a girl in her office. The poor thing was in a small fish bowl with ridiculously colored pebbles and so many fake plants it could hardly move. Its fins looked ragged and its color very dim. It looked like at one time it must have been a very pretty yellow-orange with even more orange tips to its fins.

For whatever reason my mother-in-law didn't think there was anything wrong with it. It was apparently still eating so obviously that's a sign that its not going to die, right? Ugh. Poor, misunderstood fish. :<

Apparently, goldfish have an equally ridiculous culture.

I've seen some bettas that can be quite happy in the pet stores for what ever reason. If there's a bubble nest in the cup than you got a happy little male on your hand. Of course the water is normally fresh when they do this. I think they like the water because it's shallow like their native environment.

A small rant about fake plants and bettas...stupid stupid stupid idea in most cases. Bettas fins are so delicate and fake plants can be very sharp if they're made of plastic. Plastic plants can shred fins so easily. A trick to tell if they're safe is run them over old pantyhose many times. If they don't snag at all, probably safe. If they snag, not safe at all.



Darcie...wow...so true...so true..
 

herpencounter

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“Well this betta is very yellow, I’ll call it a non-red!”
:main_laugh::main_rolleyes:

I am going to make my own line of leopard geckos and call them non-red's!!! :evil:
 

BettaDragon

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The scientific reason for that is that the red pigment gets altered to yellow. I still think it's stupid to call it a non-red instead of just yellow. Luckily most people just call them yellow...common sense isn't dead yet...

If I saw "non-red" leos...I think I'd scream and run...
 

herpencounter

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The scientific reason for that is that the red pigment gets altered to yellow. I still think it's stupid to call it a non-red instead of just yellow. Luckily most people just call them yellow...common sense isn't dead yet...

If I saw "non-red" leos...I think I'd scream and run...



So your saying you would not buy one of my geckos *cries* :p

2 ½ years and I just reached my 400th post how sad…
 

Alusdra

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Wow. I thought this thread was going to be like: bettas are cute like leos, and stare at you when they want food like leos, and live in tanks. lol. I had no idea there was so much angst!

My gecko vet also sees bettas, by the way- I took the poor late Henry, but alas the old guy was too far gone, despite the medicated baths, etc. The vet will also take rads of fish, though how they manage that I have no idea.
 

DoubleZ

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I recently became a betta mommy but I have no intention of breeding him. My boyfriend got him for me so that I won't be without a pet in my dorm room next year. He even set up a little 1.5 gallon tank with live plants and things. Ferdinand loves it.
 
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OhMyGecko

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hahaha that's funny. years ago I bred bettas and had HUNDREDS of them. It was sorta fun, very time consuming with the water changing and preping food for the babies. I'm glad I don't do it anymore and wouldn't ever again. Leo's are sooooooo much better and you "play" with them. I will say this though, when it came to actual breeding set up and breeding success of bettas, I found that part easy. I never had an issue in that area. I had two 10 gal breeder tanks for the babies until they got big enough to be placed in a huge tupperware tub until they were to big for that and then got individual homes (fun part). Well hopefully I will have the same kind of success breeding leos.
 

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