a new "morph enhancer" I call Abyssinian (= "Abs"),

[Halley]

Nic you don't need to tell me that. :main_laugh: I know you read the thread I started about it. I was just being a smart A$$.

my bad

 

[spykerherps]

:drunk:

MMust hold make ... Must not speek ... AAAaaa.. ???? why the price tag cause he gave it a "cool" name and he's RonSHShshshSHSH.

 

[KelliH]

Kelli he got his male from Alberto so it's very possible. I allmost bought an Adult Tremper Blazing Enigma from Alberto earlier this year as well. So now I think of this it's 100% possible for Ron to have this guy. All Alberto is working with any more are Enigma crosses and he has done them all as we have seen.

Tremper Blazing Blizzard Enigma x Super Giant Raptor= How he got his male from Alberto.

But didn't you see the thread where Steve Sykes posted a pic of the Blazing Blizzard Enigma when it hatched??

 

[KelliH]

Yeah T+ sounds better to me, some of them almost seem like they have black spots.

All three strains of albino leopard gecko were genetically tested several years ago and proven to be T positive albinos.

 

[paulh]

All three strains of albino leopard gecko were genetically tested several years ago and proven to be T positive albinos.

This sort of thing interests me. I'd like to know more. Do you have details -- who did it and the test method? Or can I find it on the web?

 

[Halley]

All three strains of albino leopard gecko were genetically tested several years ago and proven to be T positive albinos.

I guess I should have worded that better. I was just in one the earlier discussion and just agree that they are T+. And was just adding to that, by saying the spots look black. I should have added “but they are actually brown” I guess, meaning that they have to be T+.

 

[Paco]

But didn't you see the thread where Steve Sykes posted a pic of the Blazing Blizzard Enigma when it hatched??

Kelli, I did see the thread. What does it have to do with this thread( not tryin to be rude)? I was just responding to the fact that you thought it was strange that Ron had a male with these genetics. I thought Alberto Allready hatched out the Blazing Blizzard Emigma last year? Unless he was not correct about the genetics. I was not really impressed with what the Adults looked like so I opted not get into that project and passed on buying the adult BBE male. Also Alberto's BBE was done breeding months ago as well so we should start seeing a bunch of Enigma Blazing Bliz crosses.:main_thumbsup:

 

[SteveB]

The ENIGMAS also can display a physical defect in the form of shaking, spinning and/or head arching. The exact reason for this behavior is still largely unknown, but it is seen to a lesser degree in young whereby only one parent is an ENIGMA. ENIGMAS bred to each other may amplify this problem.

Interesting that Ron Tremper would make such a claim.


I think we need a "Who Cares" section. Because this would fit quite well. :main_rolleyes:

 

[cassadaga]

I think what AM originally coined as the BBE was actually just a Tremper Enigma, but I'm not 100% certain.

It seems like some of you think these are a new strain of albino? I personally am unimpressed with Tremper's newest "morph". As usual.

 

[Paco]

I think what AM originally coined as the BBE was actually just a Tremper Enigma, but I'm not 100% certain.

Well unless this info has come to light within the Last month I am pretty sure Alberto has a BBE male. He was willing to sell it to me at a hefty price as well and I am 100% sure he would not missrepresent any animals he sells. I will conctat him to make 100% sure but Matt might chime in as well.

 

[cassadaga]

I doubt it was an intentionally missrepresented animal, if it were missrepresented at all. I just know that what was originally posted as a BBE on leopardgeckowiki by AM, is not what is now posted by Albey.

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Albeytbbe3.jpg

 

[Paco]

I doubt it was an intentionally missrepresented animal, if it were missrepresented at all. I just know that what was originally posted as a BBE on leopardgeckowiki by AM, is not what is now posted by Albey.

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Albeytbbe3.jpg

I contacted Alberto so this will be put to rest as soon as I here back from him.

Leo Wiki is written by Kyle here on GF. He is the one who post all the pics and info. He only uses the breeders photos and gives them credit.

 

[godzillizard]

Alright folks, we are exploring some uncharted territory here, and I think we should acknowledge the people who are willing to do the work it takes to find answers to some of these questions. This trait is called "Enigma" for good reason!!! I believe it'll stay mysterious for many generations, as more genes/traits combine with Enigma and 'show' themselves. Just look at the variation in "normal" enigmas...then imagine tossing the (R)aptor code into the mix...or the raining reds...

Alberto is as honest a guy as you'll find in the business, he calls it like he sees it. Just ask him anything and he'll tell you everything he knows, and what he's not quite sure about

 

[Paco]

Alright folks, we are exploring some uncharted territory here, and I think we should acknowledge the people who are willing to do the work it takes to find answers to some of these questions. This trait is called "Enigma" for good reason!!! I believe it'll stay mysterious for many generations, as more genes/traits combine with Enigma and 'show' themselves. Just look at the variation in "normal" enigmas...then imagine tossing the (R)aptor code into the mix...or the raining reds...

Alberto is as honest a guy as you'll find in the business, he calls it like he sees it. Just ask him anything and he'll tell you everything he knows, and what he's not quite sure about

Very well put Brian.:main_thumbsup:

Alberto has been one of the most helpfull breeders I have dealt with. He has gone out of his way several times to send me pics and answer all of my questions about all the new traits and morphs we have to date. If there are any issues or questions I know he would be more than happy to disclose all he knows!

 

[KelliH]

Very well put Brian.:main_thumbsup:

Alberto has been one of the most helpfull breeders I have dealt with. He has gone out of his way several times to send me pics and answer all of my questions about all the new traits and morphs we have to date. If there are any issues or questions I know he would be more than happy to disclose all he knows!

Paco, look, I never said Alberto misrepresented anything purposely. I do not believe that the animals he thought were Tremper Blazing Blizzard Enigmas and Blizzard Enigmas were what he thought they were. ALberto himself has expressed doubts.

Myself and a couple of others have hatched out Blizzard Enigmas that do not look at all like the one that was initially posted by Alberto, and He and Matt then said they are going to test breed the geckos they have that they believe are Blazing Blizzard Enigmas and Blizzard ENigmas. In the meantime though, Steve Sykes and Albey have both hatched out Tremper Blazing Blizzard Enigmas that look nothing like the ones that A & M have showed photos of. That is why the photos were changed in the Leopard Gecko wiki.

Make sense now?

 

[cassadaga]

Agreed.

I never meant any disrespect toward A&M, I just believe they incorrectly ID'd the geckos.

 

[Paco]

Paco, look, I never said Alberto misrepresented anything purposely. I do not believe that the animals he thought were Tremper Blazing Blizzard Enigmas and Blizzard Enigmas were what he thought they were. ALberto himself has expressed doubts.

Myself and a couple of others have hatched out Blizzard Enigmas that do not look at all like the one that was initially posted by Alberto, and He and Matt then said they are going to test breed the geckos they have that they believe are Blazing Blizzard Enigmas and Blizzard ENigmas. In the meantime though, Steve Sykes and Albey have both hatched out Tremper Blazing Blizzard Enigmas that look nothing like the ones that A & M have showed photos of. That is why the photos were changed in the Leopard Gecko wiki.

Make sense now?

Kelli... I don't think I ever said or implied that you said Alberto was missrepresenting anything. I don't know where you got that from? I simply asked a few questions to one of your responses is all. Sorry if it was taken the wrong way.

I can see why there is confusion about the BBE. I don't recall seeing any hatchling pics of Alberto's BBE just juvie/adult pics? Maybe Baby pics side by side would help.


The testing results will be released soon so the questions will be answred.

 

[KelliH]

Kelli... I don't think I ever said or implied that you said Alberto was missrepresenting anything. I don't know where you got that from? I simply asked a few questions to one of your responses is all. Sorry if it was taken the wrong way.

I can see why there is confusion about the BBE. I don't recall seeing any hatchling pics of Alberto's BBE just juvie/adult pics? Maybe Baby pics side by side would help.


The testing results will be released soon so the questions will be answred.

You seemed confused as to why I would question if you had seen the thread about the Blazing Blizzard Enigma that Steve hatched recently. You asked what that thread had to do with this and I was trying to explain. At one point you seemed to indicate that some of us were saying that there was a purposeful misrepresentation, so I just wanted to clarify that I did not think that was the case.

 

[paulnj]

:main_laugh: Thought I would add that Matt (SaSobek) sold me a eclipse who's eyes faded last year that is a spitting image of a Abyssinian ..... Boy am I stoked, now I can mate him and charge $700 for hatchlings.. what a steal:main_lipsrsealed:

 

[Griesi]

:main_laugh: Thought I would add that Matt (SaSobek) sold me a eclipse who's eyes faded last year that is a spitting image of a Abyssinian ..... Boy am I stoked, now I can mate him and charge $700 for hatchlings.. what a steal:main_lipsrsealed:

We want pictures!