A TANGELO.....REDO!

[Gregg M]

Because "hunter 66" and "nicks" have identical IP addresses. Hmmmm....

Marcia, sometimes I am too smart for my own good... And I aint scared to admit it... LOL:main_laugh::main_laugh::main_laugh:

Why am I not shocked...

 

[Gazz]

Tangelo's are a Tremper line of Albino tangerine that he's developed by him over X amount of years.They are a combo of Talbino-(simple recessive) & Tangerine-(Fixed Polygenetic)there for a esay inherited trait.

Tangelo X Tangelo = high percent high grade Tangelo's.

Tangelo X Talbino = Talbino.some offspring more influanced by tangerine than others.

Tangelo X Normal = Normals Het Talbino.some offspring more influanced by Tangerine than others.

But still to me they are just Talbino tangerine.But each to there own :main_thumbsup:.

 

[paulnj]

Gazz, You never post images, yet know about every morph :main_robin:

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

After further investigation, I have found that username 'nicks' and username 'hunter66' are not the same person. I apologize for any misunderstanding and for the inconvenience.

 

[Nigel4less]

Gazz, You never post images, yet know about every morph :main_robin:

:main_yes:


Anyways back to the Point... Gazz I`m curious what you mean by a "Fixed" Polygenic trait?

 

[eric]

I have updated my site with the following:

"The tangelo is a tangerine tremper albino; the tangerine is a polygenic line bred trait whose tangerine color has the same origin as all other tangerines on the market despite their founders claim otherwise. But through selective line-breeding has accomplished a deeper orange color and distinct look."

I bought them from a very well respected person as something new/different and I am sorry if what I have said mislead anybody.

Nick,
http://www.eereptiles.com

Nick You were the victim of the Texas Tyrant. Its not your fault. You have nothing to apologize for. We all have learning curves. And the fact that you recognized this and changed your web-site makes you a responsible breeder that I respect.:main_thumbsup:

"Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[Gazz]

:main_yes:


Anyways back to the Point... Gazz I`m curious what you mean by a "Fixed" Polygenic trait?

Stable as in well fixed in the DNA.Would take a lot of work to breed out or even dilute.

 

[Nigel4less]

Stable as in well fixed in the DNA.Would take a lot of work to breed out or even dilute.

Actually I don't see how it would be difficult to breed out the Tangerine trait in any mutation. Considering its a Polygenic trait it would be fairly simple to dilute.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

It's those darn Smirfs you can't dilute. Yeah i'm out here in left field that i would interject my left fieldness on the topic real quick

 

[thestack510]

...Texas Tyrant...

LM@O, I guess you can put me on that list of victims too, but my issue has more to do with sticker shock, not genetic claims. I don't have any regrets, but as you said there is a learning curve. I did buy an Emerine Albino from "TT" and in my opinion those look nothing like any other Tangerine Albino line out there, including the Tangelos. What would you say, people? I also admire your willingness to make the changes, Nick.

 

[Gazz]

Actually I don't see how it would be difficult to breed out the Tangerine trait in any mutation. Considering its a Polygenic trait it would be fairly simple to dilute.

It wouldn't happen over night with a grade A exsample.Would be a lest 5 gen's 'etc minimum IMO.Before change starts to really show.

 

[Gregg M]

It wouldn't happen over night with a grade A exsample.Would be a lest 5 gen's 'etc minimum IMO.Before change starts to really show.

Thats pretty funny Gazz... You can take the best tangerine line and breed it to a normal... I am willing to bet that atleast one of those offspung animals will not have coloration that even closely resembles the tangerine parent... To me, that would be just one generation where a huge change happens... That is pretty much over night....

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

First off, I'm not happy with the direction this thread is going... we need to avoid making comments about breeder's business practices and ethics. I know it's difficult to avoid, especially with a few 'notorious' individuals.

Actually I don't see how it would be difficult to breed out the Tangerine trait in any mutation. Considering its a Polygenic trait it would be fairly simple to dilute.

It wouldn't happen over night with a grade A exsample.Would be a lest 5 gen's 'etc minimum IMO.Before change starts to really show.

Actually, I disagree. Since the wild-type genes and physical characteristics are what I refer to as the 'default' gene (since all non-albino color morphs are derived from that), it would not be too difficult to have a morph revert back to express the spotting and patterns of a WT morph. But, since the orange coloration, especially at the base of the tail, is a natural pigment color in many leopard gecko morphs, it might take a little longer to reduce it. I don't think it would take 5 generations at all... maybe one or two at the most

 

[SaSobek]

It wouldn't happen over night with a grade A exsample.Would be a lest 5 gen's 'etc minimum IMO.Before change starts to really show.

i would love to see pictures of this.

... You can take the best tangerine line and breed it to a normal... I am willing to bet that atleast one of those offspung animals will not have coloration that even closely resembles the tangerine parent... To me, that would be just one generation where a huge change happens... That is pretty much over night....

it actualy takes one generation to take any color out, and its not just one of them its all of them.

im not saying this is the greatest raptor ever in the world but for being a breeder for two years she dosent have bad color.

this is a picture of what im talking about left is a Raptor and the mother of our "afra line" (not our Pure Afaghanicus line) Right is our "pure" Afghanicus male middle is what you get when you cross the two. and every baby that comes out are like little colones of the middle one. they are slightly more yello then the dad but as you can see no tang at all. Miami Mike has a couple and he will show you his as well.

using a wild caught line or subspecies when you use these geckos to out cross the first year all the babies look "normal" but they are carriers of all the genetics (even the tang color) and the generation after you can and will see color makeing in a way skip one generation this is proven, done and seen with my two eyes.


because of this it would be easy for some one to think that there is something eles at work here and able to call it something that its not.

IMO you all are right and you all are wrong. Tang color can skip a generation. of course when out crossing it will lessin the tang for the first couple of genereations but it will come back and be just as good as it was if not better. It just has to line back up.

in less you know every thing about a line and have pics to back it up over years of working with them, i think it is best to open your mouth and insert your foot.

First off, I'm not happy with the direction this thread is going... we need to avoid making comments about breeder's business practices and ethics. I know it's difficult to avoid, especially with a few 'notorious' individuals.

amen

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

I may or may not have just gotten some tangelos........

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

:main_laugh::main_laugh::main_evilgrin:

 

[JohnJohn]

I'm a total newbie. Just wanted to say that I really learned a LOT from this thread. It took me two days to carefully read it all during breaks at work. But I made it to the end and I even took notes!

I was excited to hatch out my first RAPTORs and APTORs this year. Now I think I need to get some extra good Sunglows to cross with them! The geckos in the very first pics that started this thread are absolutely stunning.

 

[ooglar]

what man from texas? why cant we say his name?

 

[KelliH]

You can say anyone's name as long as it's not used in a negative way.