AFT x Leo eggs fertile?

[Lena]

Well, I haven't heard anything definitive. I'm sure if the knowledge were there, people could warn others against it if it was harmful to the offspring.

This particular breeding could give us that knowledge.

 

[BettaDragon]

Let's just hope the eggs don't go bad.

 

[Crazygecko]

Well I know in this thread alone someone pointed out how they did the cross last year to 2 females and all the eggs were infertile. The fact that it has yet to be done yet between 2 very popular geckos should also be some kind of validification that its not possible. But hey I am polish and blonde so I could be wrong.

 

[Lena]

I guess we'll find out.

 

[Morph]

yeah im sure people will keep trying it...so time will tell

 

[Crazygecko]

or I guess we already did.

 

[Baoh]

according to records she wrote a letter that said she had no more use in the world and she wanted to have her body do some good for science. That is according to records. who knows what has been changed.

Yes, I have heard of it, and I have heard that part was just a ploy.

 

[Baoh]

I think everytime this cross is brought up its also brought up that its failed many times in the past. But still even though that is said people still keep on trying it. I guess its just human nature to not learn from our mistakes and just keep on trying it.

If at first you don't succeed, quit?

Not for me.

 

[Baoh]

I would like to see someone try the cross in a lab setting. Any scientists out there willing to try it?

Unless one owns his or her own lab or does specific research on hybridization, this will not be done artificially under laboratory conditions. It's tempting for me in relation to other projects, but it's not worth the risk to my career. Others would likely respond the same way as I.

 

[Baoh]

Ok I see all this talk about reptile cross breeds thriving so much. But what about all the ones that dont thrive? Just because some seem to thrive so much like ballxangolans doesnt meen that there arent alot of crossbreeds that failed.

Regular breeding fails quite often.

 

[Crazygecko]

Reqular breeding fails. I understand that. But like you said if at first you dont succeed, quit? But what about all the other people who failed. Shouldnt that be enough reason to quit?
If 1000 people jumped off a cliff and failed to survive you want to try to be 1001 and see if you live? I sure dont.

 

[BettaDragon]

Unless one owns his or her own lab or does specific research on hybridization, this will not be done artificially under laboratory conditions. It's tempting for me in relation to other projects, but it's not worth the risk to my career. Others would likely respond the same way as I.

Hence why I said, "like to see". I know it won't happen. What do scientists have to gain from trying to cross two geckos? More importantly what does the government have to gain since they fund the scientists.

 

[BettaDragon]

Just wondering, are there any other gecko hybrids out there?

 

[LeosForLess]

i skipped everything, but i remember sombody saying they made and hatched a cross but it died a day old.

 

[shadowx362]

Just a thought....what if the fat tail X leo only works with some morphs???
Ok so what are the parents of the "viable" eggs? There are soo many morphs out there and not all are compatible with each other and so what if it works the same with leos and fatails?
Just a thought.

 

[Baoh]

Reqular breeding fails. I understand that. But like you said if at first you dont succeed, quit? But what about all the other people who failed. Shouldnt that be enough reason to quit?
If 1000 people jumped off a cliff and failed to survive you want to try to be 1001 and see if you live? I sure dont.

If 1000 people tried to find treatments for cancer and failed to show efficacy, I'd keep trying.

 

[Baoh]

Hence why I said, "like to see". I know it won't happen. What do scientists have to gain from trying to cross two geckos? More importantly what does the government have to gain since they fund the scientists.

Don't get me wrong. I'd LOVE to see it.

Most scientists are NOT funded by the government. Most are funded by industry. The government barely funds crap when it comes to this sort of thing.

It is only the smallest fraction of medications, for example, that are discovered by either academia or government funded work. The vast majority are privately funded via industry.

I'm in R&D.

 

[Crazygecko]

How about all you people who back this experiment take all your leapords get AFT mates for all of them and try this cross. Then post your results. If you are so for it then go and try it to see if it can be done.

 

[supperl]

Well I guess it´´s as easy as it is. I won´´t do the cross and so do many others. Is it cause their is a risk for the offspring or is it just that many others have tried without success and that this fact could tell us noway.

In the end fatties and leos are very popular and many many many ppl must have tried it. I mean if you have so muchcrosses at the snakes than ppl at geckos will have tried this, too(isn´´t their a crested cahoua cross out their?).
Right now it hasn´´t worked. I bet if youtake the number ppl trying this cross and than the number of ppl trying the Bell/Blizzard cross we have not such a big difference between this numbers.
I guess their would have been a success.

And bout this 1000 ppl fail I won´´t stop. HEaling cancer and trying a cross morph isn´t the same..... one thing will rescure millions of lifes and the other thingis just luxus.....
So if you won´´t stop after 1000 ppl fail, when will someone except that it won´´t work?

I dunno but we will see what will happen with these eggs.
Only 3 pos. First is we see Fatleos... Second we see another clutch going bad... Third is healthy little Leos will hatch(from an earlier breeding).

 

[Paco]

Took Edison 10,000 tries before he came up with the light bulb. What if he didn't try after the first time he failed?

Also there is a lot of specultaion about how many people have tried this cross and failed. Unless you have some specific numbers you can not assume that it has been tried 100 even thousands of times(which I highly doubt).

As far as we know it could have been tried by 1 or 2 breeders and when they did not have any sucess that other's did not bother to try. Just like Spider Ball Python Morph.

So if you wanna claim it's been done numerous times show me some proof. There should be plenty of public records of these breedings happening and failing (or at least a few). Not just you would assume. Or I heard.