AFT x Leo

[syntheticreality]

Has nobody tried to do this? I have heard they are incompatible, but they are so simliar in appearance, that I would guess their DNA MIGHT be compatible.

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

 

[Eriathiel]

Has nobody tried to do this? I have heard they are incompatible, but they are so simliar in appearance, that I would guess their DNA MIGHT be compatible.

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

I don't think this is a stupid question... however

I am too new to leopard geckos to know if they and AFT's and compatible or not. However even if they are, there are many issues raised by reptile breeders about hybrids. Many people are against them for ethical reasons, while others don't see a problem.

 

[syntheticreality]

I cant see it violating any ethics. Generally outcrossing strengthens genes.

Maybe somebody else has different reasoning why it is bad.

 

[goReptiles]

They are of different areas of the world and different genes. I've heard on so many different sites that you can't breed them together.

I think it would be possible if they were related in genes and heritage. But they have different natural backgrounds.

Personally, I'd say ethics would be involved since they're not co-habitants or directly related. That's just me, though.

 

[GeckoJunkie]

I cant see it violating any ethics. Generally outcrossing strengthens genes.

This would not be outcrossing, it would be a plain and simple a hybrid/mutt, depending on which side of the fence you sit on when it comes to hybrids.

I have been told it has been done and that it does NOT produce viable eggs. I have not tried it myself so I am speaking just from what I have been told.
I like hybrids and think there is a place for them as long as the breeder represents them for what they are. But to breed a fat tail to a leopard would be down grading a leopard but maybe up grading a fat tail.

 

[goReptiles]

Thomas, that would all depend on the AFT, now if you bred a tangerine amel, that may be considered downgrading as well.

But I agree. Definitely not worth it.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I've been breeding geckos for 13 years, and people have been trying to cross Leopard Geckos and AFT's forever.... without success. Why??? Because they are completely separate species! They come from totally opposite hemispheres... one from the mountainous deserts of the Middle East, and one from the sub-tropical areas of Africa. They may look similar, but they are genetically VERY different.

 

[syntheticreality]

how is it downgrading the leo and upgrading the AFT? why is one better than the other?

I understand them being from different places...

I am not trying to be politically incorrect here, but... Black people are originally from Africa, Asians from Asia, and white people from Europe. They can all interbreed with no problems. Is it not possible that AFTs and leos came from similar origins and evolved through natural selection to fit their habitats?

I cant see it violating any ethics. Generally outcrossing strengthens genes.

This would not be outcrossing, it would be a plain and simple a hybrid/mutt, depending on which side of the fence you sit on when it comes to hybrids.

I have been told it has been done and that it does NOT produce viable eggs. I have not tried it myself so I am speaking just from what I have been told.
I like hybrids and think there is a place for them as long as the breeder represents them for what they are. But to breed a fat tail to a leopard would be down grading a leopard but maybe up grading a fat tail.

 

[DAWNoftheLEO]

I wanna cross with my my gonis!! (just wishful not happening thinking )

 

[syntheticreality]

Now if this is true than that explains it.

But I still say there SHOULD be a way. Black people developed darker skin to survive the harsh sun on the african plains. Eskimos, over generations, built up tolerance to the cold. We look different and survive in different climates, but we are genetically similar.

I am not talking about crossing a chicken with a frog here. Maybe I am ignorant, but it seems more to me like crossing an english bulldog with a great dane. I suppose that this is more like the first due to the incompatibilities. I am guessing, however, that no scientific studies have really gone into really determining the genetic differences between them.

Black, white, hispanic, and asian people are all homo sapiens sapiens, I guess AFTs and Leos are totally different genus and species, but that all comes from the scientist who named them.

I've been breeding geckos for 13 years, and people have been trying to cross Leopard Geckos and AFT's forever.... without success. Why??? Because they are completely separate species! They come from totally opposite hemispheres... one from the mountainous deserts of the Middle East, and one from the sub-tropical areas of Africa. They may look similar, but they are genetically VERY different.

 

[DLS Reptile]

Like Marcia said, But to add to it...I think that there is enough of a slight difference in genes that it would not be possible.. Can you cross an Eastern diamond back to a Purple spot tree viper??? They are both vipers correct?? from my understanding you cannot. It has to be closer to there main species. Now could you cross a Eastern diamond back with a Western? Yes, because they are much more closely related genetically and of mostly the same climates...This is why you can cross many of the Eublepharis macularis with Eublepharis facsiolatus Sp??etc...They come from the same general areas and climates...

 

[Mel&Keith]

There are many scientific studies involving pig organs being transplanted in to humans because some of the organs are very similar. Just because certain animals have many similar characteristics (even genetically) doesn't mean that they can be bred together.

Jason, could you mate with a pig and create viable offspring?

 

[Nigel4less]

Okay lets think of it this way, Leopard Geckos are placed in Eublepharis for a reason, AFT's are placed in Hemitheconyx. Now you are not talking about Crossing Leopard Gecko SPECIES(Not Subspecies such as Fasciolatus, Afghanicus,etc). I believe it is fine to breed subspecies together, because they all belong to the same complex. Personally I would not breed Eublepharis macularius macularius to Eublepharis turcmenicus, but Herpetology tells us its possible, Why for one they are from the same part of the world, also they are in the same Genus! Lets try breeding Crested Geckos(Rhacodactylus ciliatus), to a Gargoyle Gecko(Rhacodactylus auriculatus), again MY Ethics tell me I shouldn't do this because I believe all these species were developed separately for a reason. And my biggest question is why would you want to ruin both species natural beauty? One species would have to suffer because of how different they are in habitat,etc. I'm not saying Leopards are better then Fat-Tails, and vice-versa. I'm not completely against Hybrids though, I mean the SuperBalls the Ball and Blood crosses are viable and look amazing. But they come from somewhat similar environments and also they are in the SAME Genus! Just my 2 cents.

 

[david13]

There are many scientific studies involving pig organs being transplanted in to humans because some of the organs are very similar. Just because certain animals have many similar characteristics (even genetically) doesn't mean that they can be bred together.

Jason, could you mate with a pig and create viable offspring?

you sicko..lol jk, i see what you mean, i don't think it would be possible, are they even attracted to each other?

 

[eyelids]

I wanna cross with my my gonis!! (just wishful not happening thinking )

Where do you think Enigmas came from?! :main_laugh: :main_evilgrin:

 

[DAWNoftheLEO]

Where do you think Enigmas came from?! :main_laugh: :main_evilgrin:

I think we can be on to something batman!:main_robin:

Humans are locality types, like GTP's!
We just don't have hormonal blues :main_lipsrsealed:

 

[OSUgecko]

Some VERY different species of animals will mate naturally in the wild; depending on the cross, they may/may not produce offspring and the offspring may/may not be fertile. I know this is particularly prevalent in waterfowl and raptors. For example, gyrfalcons can and will cross with peregrine falcons without any problems whatsoever... and they have extremely diverse appearences and habitats!

Problems can arise though, at least with the bird hybrids, because they won't have the instincts for proper mating rituals with either species. They might be fertile, but social outcasts won't produce offspring either. I doubt this would be a big problem for most reptiles (they don't seem to be nearly as picky as birds, lol), but it might have an effect.

Since hybridization happens naturally, I don't think there's a problem with humans trying to cross different species out of curiousity, (even if the animals normally wouldn't meet in the wild) as long as...
1. you don't put animals that can hurt each other together
2. you watch them very carefully while they are together to prevent potential altercations
3. you don't try to "force mate" them

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Black people are originally from Africa, Asians from Asia, and white people from Europe. They can all interbreed with no problems. Is it not possible that AFTs and leos came from similar origins and evolved through natural selection to fit their habitats?

ALL human beings are from the same specie: Homosapien. Leopard Geckos and African Fat-tail geckos are NOT the same specie of geckos. There are hundreds of geckos species.

For example, the Spider Monkey is from the rainforests of Central and South America. The Colobus Monkey is from Central Africa. They are both monkeys (primates), but they are different species. Their genetics are very different, and they will not cross.

 

[david13]

ya, human baings are all the same species
Ex. if humans were a gecko we would be just a leopard gecko..not anything else

if that makes sense..hha

 

[Stevie]

I am not talking about crossing a chicken with a frog here. Maybe I am ignorant, but it seems more to me like crossing an english bulldog with a great dane. I suppose that this is more like the first due to the incompatibilities. I am guessing, however, that no scientific studies have really gone into really determining the genetic differences between them.

Black, white, hispanic, and asian people are all homo sapiens sapiens, I guess AFTs and Leos are totally different genus and species, but that all comes from the scientist who named them.

The fact that animals look quite simular, doesn't mean that they are compatible or even related to eachother. This is due to allopatric evolution. This means that different animals who live under a simular selective pressure, solve certain problems the same way. For example: a dolphin and a shark look quite the same because they're both aquatic hunters and build for speed in the water. The same goes for other organisms. AFT's and leopardgeckos are closely related to eachother;both are members of the family Eublepharinae, but due to a geographic seperation they became (genetically) to different from eachother to produce viable offspring.

All dogs are the same species of animals, same with humans. Both dogs and humans just simply don't excist long enough to become different (animal) species and the rases are therefore very compatible. Dogs are bred by humans in all shapes and sizes that we wanted them to be, and therefore are still compatible.

I hear you think: "But why is it possible that totally different species are sometimes compatible?". That's because we humans have to think in boarders and put a name on everything in order to comprehend the complexity of nature. The entire concept of "species" is invented by us but nature doesn't play by our rules! Like any theory, it's the best there is to explain most of the things we observe....

Greets,

Stevie