Black Pearls...

[Halley]

While I agree with what you say here, selling 7 geckos at about $3000 each balances out to more than most breeders make in a season from what I've seen.

For the most part, people are selling their Leo's for a price that means people will take care of them and not take them for granted, not just sell them to make money.

I'd love to eventually end up with a collection that I can use to turn a profit, but at the moment, I'm more interested in giving my pets a wonderful home so they'll stick around as long as possible.

True that $3,000 each is good money, but this is their living I doubt they would want to ruin it and find new jobs.

 

[OhioGecko]

Not to be a jerk or anything, but are you sure about that?

Do you have any separate info on them, since obviously the site selling them is going to make them as 'rare' as possible?

Thier website says the genetics are co-dominate or simple recessive, it does not say for sure one or the other.

 

[supperl]

THey sale them that expensive as they bought the whole Projects from Konrad inclusive shipping that was surely fare more than 7 times 3 grand I guess.

But I also heared from ppl owning BP that they look pretty normal as adults and as Konrad never realy showed adult ones in daylight.

I guess we need more ppl owning adult ones and doing daylight pics to see a real difference. Their are ppl out with adult ones, cant someone take good daylight pics?

 

[yellermelon]

I dont have a BP but know someone that does. This is a morph thats gonna be hit or miss. Its got something to it genetically, as you may own a dark color adult..Im gonna put money down saying it hatched black, and yellow. Im also gonna guess the more these are worked with the better they are gonna look. The tangerines took a few years to get nice enough to tell a huge differrence from the high yellows. Also you say they been out 3 years.If i remeber correctly They was only released last year correct? and as babies..so this would be first year they was able to breed for anyone other than Urban. Also I have heard this is thought to be Recessive. I really like the look of the pearls myself, I think they need alot of work.All that being said I dont know of anybody that has hatched a single baby.
Edit: actually Craig made them public one year ago almost to the date,
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=38363

 

[Northstar Herp]

The website says that they were gonna release a few females born in '08. Somebody should have babies by now, I mean, we are talkin leopard geckos here. But maybe the buyers are still holding their cards close, figuring things out.

The biggest flag for me is that nobody seems to be able to provide good pics of an adult. If they're so spectacular, why haven't we seen a picture taken in a lightbox?

 

[yellermelon]

The website says that they were gonna release a few females born in '08. Somebody should have babies by now, I mean, we are talkin leopard geckos here. But maybe the buyers are still holding their cards close, figuring things out.

The biggest flag for me is that nobody seems to be able to provide good pics of an adult. If they're so spectacular, why haven't we seen a picture taken in a lightbox?

Im sayin...They may not be amazing as adults. Its a morph you will like or not like, Ive seen plenty of pics of adults. Im also saying I havent seen a baby yet to be produced from the public...I do like the morph I do want one lol. It would be awesome to start line breeding something genetically proven DIFFERRENT. It may not be black..but they are darker than a normal and a much better spot to start a dark project.

 

[cassadaga]

While I agree with what you say here, selling 7 geckos at about $3000 each balances out to more than most breeders make in a season from what I've seen.

Most breeders don't do this as a profession, TUG does. This thread is full of unfounded assumptions, and I think Yellermellon probably hit the nail on the head.

 

[Northstar Herp]

Im sayin...They may not be amazing as adults. Its a morph you will like or not like, Ive seen plenty of pics of adults. Im also saying I havent seen a baby yet to be produced from the public...I do like the morph I do want one lol. It would be awesome to start line breeding something genetically proven DIFFERRENT. It may not be black..but they are darker than a normal and a much better spot to start a dark project.

I can agree with that. A dark leo's been a long time comin

 

[Taquiq]

It has different genetics, but the appearance looks like Normals as adults. They hatch out all black, though. It is thought to be a recessive morph as far as I know.

Not to be a jerk or anything, but are you sure about that?


Do you have any separate info on them, since obviously the site selling them is going to make them as 'rare' as possible?

Right here on there website is says they are thought to be recessive.

Black Pearl X Black Pearl = produced all Black Pearl offspring

Black Pearl X Normal-looking Black Pearl siblings = produced 50% Black Pearl and 50% Normal-looking siblings

For most, this would lead you to believe that the trait is simple recessive and rightfully so with those results.

http://www.theurbangecko.com/pearl_genetics.html

 

[DarthGekko]

I saw 2 adults at the San Diego Super show and one was very dark and the other was still in its light phase(normal looking). I can't comment on the genetics but the dark one did look dark...

 

[ReptileNinja101]

If you go to www.thegeckokid.com and go to the news on the left of the home page, there is a Black Pearl segment. Once you click it go to the stages of development and on the last stage, which is the fourth stage. They have a Black Pearl adult on a light blue background which to me looks like it is in regular light.

 

[skmcwilliams]

I updated my black pearl girl a few weeks ago in the show off your gecko section. I think the problem was that she stayed in the "light" phase forever. She is around 20 months and just in the last 2 months did she make a dramatic change to dark, I was starting to get very worried and even questioned Craig but he said to please be patient and I'm glad I was because the change is happening. The solo pic is out in the sun and absolutely the worst she can look, much satiny black looking in person, and even since this pic was taken a few weeks ago she is darker now. She does keep getting darker with each shed now so who knows where she will end up. Craig thinks they are recessive. I haven't had babies yet but she did just breed so hoping for fertile eggs. I think everyone can take this project how they want to. For me it's fun to play with genetics that aren't all going to end up solid white w/red eyes. That's just me though, I don't get offended when people say they hate the BP's, to all their own.:main_thumbsup:

 

[yellermelon]

I think everyone can take this project how they want to. For me it's fun to play with genetics that aren't all going to end up solid white w/red eyes.

WORD!

 

[Northstar Herp]

Thanks for that great pics Kendra. I must have missed your update or deleted it from my mental harddrive. . She looks very cool.

 

[thegeckokid]

Well I haven't started breeding so I don't have any info but I will be next year I have a female black pearl from 2009 and a male that I just got from him 2 months ago so we will find out allot more next season. I will post a couple of pic's from my female some different stages. I have two stage from my male so far.

 

[thegeckokid]

for my female
pic 1) stage 2
pic 2) stage 3
pic 3) is the final stage

pic 4) is my males 2nd stage
pic 5) is his 3rd stage

 

[thegeckokid]

black pearl

my girl took along time also .

 

[skmcwilliams]

Very nice Jill. Can't wait to see what happens w/yours. It's truly amazing where they start to where they finish. Wish you lived closer, could be fun to mix up some babies w/ BP genetics.

 

[boywonder]

Right here on there website is says they are thought to be recessive.



http://www.theurbangecko.com/pearl_genetics.html

if 100% black pearls are produced from balck pearl x black pearl then they are a co dominant morph and the black pearl is the super form, the co dom form may not look much different to a normal, if they were recessive then you would get 75% black pearl (25% 2 copy 50% 1 copy)and 25% normals,

 

[Northstar Herp]

if 100% black pearls are produced from balck pearl x black pearl then they are a co dominant morph and the black pearl is the super form, the co dom form may not look much different to a normal, if they were recessive then you would get 75% black pearl (25% 2 copy 50% 1 copy)and 25% normals,

If you breed recessive to recessive, you get all homozygous for that trait. If black pearlxblack pearl produces all black pearl, then they COULD be recessive. This does not exclude them from being recessive.

But wouldn't co-dom to co-dom produce all supers of that form? If you then were to pair the co-dom to a normal, then the offspring would show degrees of similarity to both attributes.

Dominant to dominant produce all that form too.

Tremper x Tremper= 100% tremper: RECESSIVE

Super Giant x Normal= 100% Giant, a hybrid between the two: Co-dominant

Enigma x Enigma= 100% Enigma: It's dominant, there is no "super" to differentiate, no het. enigma.