Breeders just out to make money?

[Grinning Geckos]

shanti
edit: buttume*

LOL Robin :main_robin:

An IP check will tell us if the 2 users are the same person...or at least in the same house on the same computer. One person with 2 names is against the TOS.

 

[boutiquegecko]

Bulldog-there is some agreement on that some breeders are out there just for profit, and like many have said, they don't last long. You can easilly see a majority of them at a show where they have tons of babies that look like they just hatched. They're would be what I consider the reptile mill.

But you have to think for a moment, and this is like Shanti said-you can easily end end up with lots of babies in one year. Imagine if you had 3 females that laid 10 eggs each and all were viable babies. Are you going to go set up 30+ tanks? Where do you have the room? And most of the time those babies are held back, so there's feeding, heating etc.

 

[robin]

Its only 1 part... im not speaking to him now. I stopped talking to him after I got fed up with the crap. And what's an IP check? So if hes banned he cant make a new username?

he can be banned and his IP can be blocked so he can't make a new name yes

 

[Bulldog]

First of all, this is my only account on this forum. Why would I bother with another one? Secondly, I've done nothing to warrant a ban. I've not broken the TOS, and what happens on AIM has nothing to do with what happens in here.

Check my IP # all you want. I have one name here. Show me where I've broken the rules.

As far as where I got my leo... it was from a reptile show.

Bye now...

 

[marula]

bulldog..
you need to understand one thing.
this is not a "common forum"..is like a really nice gecko community without the bad things that happend in others place..people here respect others..
people that write here (the most part of people) spend their time to help new gecko lover only for their passion with leo.,.
you are new here..
and your 9th post was an accuse directly to people that you don't know..
this is not accettable..
you don't broke rules..you miss the respect for people that dedicate their life to their passion..

 

[marula]

i don't know another place where breeders that have more than 100 geckos reply at every new member in "introduce yourself" (you can check to see that breeder like marcia have the same entusiasm from the first month of life of this forum with new member!)
you don't found another place where breeder that have projects explain genetic and results (with pics) regarding their projects...
you don't found another place where people are not "just a nick" , but really people with a common passion...
nobady here buy geckos fro sell them after one month for buy a morph more new...
so,please, don't accuse people here to don't have respect for animals that they take care of...

 

[Bulldog]

That wasn't my intention...

And why is my leo in his cave 99% of the time? Jeez, I didn't pay over 200 dollars in setup costs to have him hide all the time. I know they're nocturnal, but he rarely even comes out at night. He'll eat and poop... and it's back to his cave.

I knew they weren't the most active species, but I didn't think they'd be this boring. People come over and want to see him, and I gotta lift up the hide every time to show them. It gets annoying.

 

[boutiquegecko]

How long have you had him? Most geckos take a few weeks to aclimate to thier new surroundings, especially adults. We leave all new geckos we get alone as far as handling them and only bother them when cleaning. After a few weeks they seem to adjust to us and where they are and come evening or sometimes before, they come out to visit us when we come in the office or go to look at them.
Just give him some time so he doesn't feel stressed out. Also just by consistently bothering him in his hide will stress him out. Also pending the breeder you got him from at the show, they may not have handled him much or he could still be stressed from the show, then new digs you have. He might need a little longer to adjust. Even if he's a baby he will.

 

[Bulldog]

I've had him for about 2 weeks. And I'd say he's a month old, maybe a little more.

 

[Scott&Nikki]

Interesting how you tell me you got him from a pet store by your house. Does this pet store have reptile shows?

Bulldog, many people, including myself have answered your questions multiple times. Your problem is that "we are brainwashed" and you dont like our answers. The simple solution is to stop asking. Have you gotten such different answers by asking so many times? How can you have such a lack of respect for us, especially the breeders, but then continue asking questions?

 

[Bulldog]

Scott&Nikki stop trying to provoke a fight.

 

[Kotsay1414]

Scott&Nikki stop trying to provoke a fight.

I actually think this comment provoked the whole "fight"

After seeing the setups of some of these people... I can't help but think you guys are just breeding these guys left and right hoping for a new color morph to sell. I mean, a room full of racks with 200+ leos? You certainly don't see all them. So do you just mass produce these guys hoping for a new color combo?

Sorry to be so blunt, I am just curious.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Wow, ignorance.

A good breeder would have known to tell you to give the animal time to adjust. Where do you think the "petshop" got a baby gecko to sell to you from? More than likely some of the LARGEST breeders, the same type who you depict in your originaly statement, only they produce thousands, not hundreds. They are actually the "bad guys", and they support eachother. Well now you support them too only you do not even know it.:main_rolleyes:

The gecko is scared, and the more you handle him, or "show him to people", the longer it will take him to get used to his surroundings, get used to you etc. This hobby takes patience that you do not seem to have.

 

[robin]

First of all, this is my only account on this forum. Why would I bother with another one? Secondly, I've done nothing to warrant a ban. I've not broken the TOS, and what happens on AIM has nothing to do with what happens in here.

Check my IP # all you want. I have one name here. Show me where I've broken the rules.

As far as where I got my leo... it was from a reptile show.

Bye now...

the owners and administrators can ban you for simply trolling. and yeah maybe it was on AIM but it was directed to the people here. enough said.
Oh, and i thought you were going already. :main_rolleyes:

 

[eyelids]

Maybe you should've bought a hamster or something...

 

[BalloonzForU]

I've done nothing to warrant a ban. I've not broken the TOS, and what happens on AIM has nothing to do with what happens in here.

Copied from TOS here.

*Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Heated discussions and/or debates are fine, but please stick to the issues and do not make it personal. Threatening another member with physical violence is not allowed, nor is incessant harassment (aka trolling).

The comments you made, that we do it all for money is a personal attack to all the breeders on this site. I'm sure that all the mods (myself included) will agree that you are trolling.

 

[BalloonzForU]

If you don't like what you "think" we stand for, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Now if you want to stick around and learn, that's awesome. Many of us would love to help a newbie, but the respect has to go both ways. You started off on the wrong foot here with your comments, maybe you can turn that around.

 

[ledhead]

This post is just waiting for a pad lock.

Bulldog sees things as (s)he sees them. No posts are going to change that. It can only get uglier from here...

Think it can just be left here to die? :main_yes:

quietly...

 

[robin]

fe, i doubt it lala

 

[boutiquegecko]

Groovy geckos said it-those poor leos are from the Big breeders who are out to make money. It's my opinion they don't care for the health, seeing as to how very young those poor babies are that are in the store. I would never sell a leo less than a month old, but that's just me.

I also agree that if you want to learn -stick around, there is a lot to learn here, but comments how you started this thread are not going to help.

Give the little guy (hope it is a male if that's what you wanted-seeing how young it is) some time. Last thing you want is to stress him more. You may also want to get a fecal if you haven't already seeing as he's from a pet store to make sure he's healthy. If you do a search on general discussions forum, there's sure to be some great advice from others on letting them settle in/new leos and new owners etc. There have been a few newbies lately on the forum so I know there are some threads regarding the subject.