Breeders just out to make money?

[fabian60115]

I recently got into racks and I believe that my beauties are doing much better in them. I use to have some 10 plus tanks and it was taking me over two hours to do maintance every other night. Now for me two hours is a long time considering that I work a full time job and go to college at night, oh yeah lets not forget my three children I have to attend to. I look in most of my racks before I go to work then again before school, and I LOVE IT!!! I'm not here for the money I'm here because of my passion with these little guys and for the thirst of knowledge that I want to gain. Last year I hatched 10 geckos and all were given to friends and family. I spend lots of time, money, and love to make sure my babies are healthy and happy. Everyday I got on this site and read what people say about their geckos and it sounds like the majority really care and love their animals. So before people start offending others they should take the time and read these forums before they make assumptions.:main_robin:

 

[eyelids]

hahahaha

Seriously though, I think most people keep them in racks so you can have more geckos. Like others said they are very comfortable living in them so I think you got your facts wrong hombre.

 

[Scott&Nikki]

Seriously though, I think most people keep them in racks so you can have more geckos. Like others said they are very comfortable living in them so I think you got your facts wrong hombre.

I don't think he has any facts to even get wrong facts. Other than Tremper....

 

[Double LY]

First, Michael Ecklund - you made my morning

I have fallen in love with this species as many have with dogs, cats, birds, fish, etc. To discriminate against us for having large collections is wrong and unfair. I read every book, medical journal, or article, I can find because I'm passionate and fascinated about these animals and it's proliferation.

Although I'm not a breeder I will chime in on the above comment. I started with one "adopted" leo from a friend for an X-mas surprise for my sons - we now have 9 with plans of buying at least a couple more within the next month (looking at you Letkey ). We have bought from breeders, pet stores and adopted to add to our collection.

We have no current plans to breed as we only have two adults and they were both given to us as strictly "pet only". If we do ever breed, it will be for US as we love having babies around the house and watching them grow. It's like any other hobby, do it for joy, not for $$$$. If these breeders were truly in it just for cash, then why would they be wasting their valuable time responding to questions from us "newbies" on a forum on a daily basis? What's the chances of someone at a pet store being knowledgeable enough or taking the time to answer questions (correctly) once your 15 day guarantee is up? I know several breeders who have personally helped me via PM when I was freaking out about something leo related.

I know there are many others on various forums like me that have 10, 20, 50, etc. geckos in their collection just because they love them. They are truly living art and I would rather sit and watch them every night instead of the T.V.

Hey, and I doubt your neighbors would report you to Animal Control for having 20 geckos like they would if you had 20 dogs :main_thumbsup:

 

[ReptileMan27]

I agree their are breeders out their that breed to make a quick buck and I personally dont like that. I have bred leos for fun for many years, cant remember ever getting any money for any of the babies. These animals arent free to keep,feed,etc.. Most of the good breeders will put any money they make back into their animals. Its not fair or accurate to say they are all out to make money, most of the breeders I have talked to here and other places, have a love for these animals, I wouldnt spend time here if their were a bunch of money hungry breeders. Any good breeder has a love for these animals. Its insulting and wrong to label breeders as just out to make a buck. I plan to sell a few babies because you cant keep them all but I certainly wont make much on them and whatever I make will go to feed etc.. the animals I have.

 

[BluGnat]

I don't think he has any facts to even get wrong facts. <snip>

Agreed.

To equate housing leos in racks with being money-hungry...um, wow.

I'm with Kelly; my collection is at just nine leos right now, and I *do* have plans to breed a couple of (to me) very expensive leos (and let Kelly have the pick of the litter - free - where's the money in that? ). I also plan to get a small rack once we do start having babies. I guess that makes me money hungry. Ha ha! Despite the fact I'll have a rack soon, if it weren't for the fact I liquidated one expensive hobby to re-involve myself with the Leos, I would have been at least couple thousand bucks in the hole by the time the year's up. And that's *so* not much compared to what most put into it.

The thing that's so great about this forum in particular is that I firmly believe that the breeders here exemplify learning/reserach, sharing their education and experience, and above all an intense love for the critter that this hobby is based on.

 

[marula]

well...
generally who think that regarding people that breed animals have only one or 2 animals and thik to be the hero because his animals are keep better that "breeeders animals"...
but
i have 14 dogs (i'm a dog breeders) and more than 100 geckos..
my dogs live in the house with me, caming with me at the lake, in the mountain, at the pet store when i need to take thir food, they working in agility, obedience, herding...i drive for more than 3 hours only for bring them to see the ocean 2 years ago during a trip in the north of europe...
i spend THOUSAND euros and dollars for keep them healthy and for give that the best life is possible..they are my animals before to be the dogs that i breed...
i start to do that because i love them...and i REALLY HATE people that breed animals only for profit...I HATE PET STORE...
AND I HATE OWNER THAT PREFER SPEND LESS MONEY for buy an animals from who don't take the correct care of them!
if you whant to have an animals (dog, gecko, cat...) you need to start to think that someone need to breed him...and if someone breed him someone need to dedicate his life to do that..

STOP TO THINK ABOUT MONEY! AND START TO GIVE YOUR MONEY AT WHO DEDICATE HIS LIFE TO TAKE THE CORRECT CARE OF HIS ANIMALS AND PERMIT TO YOU TO HAVE AN HEALTHY AND GOOD PET!

...

 

[DanTheFireman]

After seeing the setups of some of these people... I can't help but think you guys are just breeding these guys left and right hoping for a new color morph to sell. I mean, a room full of racks with 200+ leos? You certainly don't see all them. So do you just mass produce these guys hoping for a new color combo?

Sorry to be so blunt, I am just curious.

I agree with the first part of your statement - up to the "to sell" part. Yes, the more that you breed, the more chance of seeing "improved" colors and patterns. When I get up at 2 AM to write down a breeding combo that just popped into my head, the last thought is how much they'll sell for. It's pure lust to see more stunning looking animals to hold and admire - we hatched 970 last year and got to enjoy watching every one of them grow and change. Yes, we sell many of them as well as give them away to make room for the next wave. The list of keepers grows, many will not be bred but just enjoyed. If you stay with it for a few years, let's hear your viewpoint then.

 

[marula]

ah...i forgot...
all my geckos are my geckos...
and i don't live them at the pet shop when i need to go in holyday...
when people that have only one animal during night go to the pub, i'mhome to feed them and to take care of them...

 

[Mel&Keith]

I think everyone's said pretty much said it all but I'd like to add a personal experience regarding rack systems.

A long time ago we had 5 adult female leopard geckos housed communally in a 55G tank with lots of hides, water dishes and food dishes, etc so there wouldn't be any bullying. Over a pretty short period of time they got darker and darker and weren't really gaining weight. Not losing weight at all just not really getting any bigger. That's when we decided to get our first rack. After we put them each in their own tub they returned to their original beautiful colors and started packing on the grams. Leopard geckos thrive in small semi-dark solitary enclosures. That's why rack systems are perfect for them. In my opinion, having a tank with many geckos and tons of cage furnishings that aren't even a part of a leo's environment in the wild is a bit selfish. That's what you want to enjoy looking at, not necessarily where they feel safe.

 

[marula]

I mean, a room full of racks with 200+ leos? You certainly don't see all them.

all my leos have a name and i see all them everyday!..i handling the big part of them everyday and all them have a really nice pictures collection...
again..
when you go to the pub i'm whit my leos...when you got outside with frinds i'm with my leos...
this is the difference:
you have a life, our life is geckos...

In my opinion, having a tank with many geckos and tons of cage furnishings that aren't even a part of a leo's environment in the wild is a bit selfish. That's what you want to enjoy looking at, not necessarily where they feel safe

complitly agree with that...

 

[Scott&Nikki]

This whole debate started in an IM with Bulldog and I on AIM. I am not going to say specifics of what was said, because I feel it is wrong to involve private conversations. The problem I have with this whole topic is, after hearing his feeling about breeders and the people on this forum in general, I think he is probably more laughing at these responses than "learning" or "understanding" what everyone is saying. I don't even think it is worth your time trying to explain to him...

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

...after hearing his feeling about breeders and the people on this forum in general, I think he is probably more laughing at these responses than "learning" or "understanding" what everyone is saying. I don't even think it is worth your time trying to explain to him...

Bulldog, did you get your gecko from a hobbyist, a breeder, or a pet store?

Just curious...

 

[robin]

This whole debate started in an IM with Bulldog and I on AIM. I am not going to say specifics of what was said, because I feel it is wrong to involve private conversations. The problem I have with this whole topic is, after hearing his feeling about breeders and the people on this forum in general, I think he is probably more laughing at these responses than "learning" or "understanding" what everyone is saying. I don't even think it is worth your time trying to explain to him...

nice to know you are talking poo abut some of the breeders behind their backs. real nice. do you feel the same?
as i am sure you are in contact with him i am assuming you know what his response is. yet he doesn't have the balls to come and post...i say chicken ****
nice friend ya got there .....

 

[Scott&Nikki]

nice to know you are talking poo abut some of the breeders behind their backs. real nice. do you feel the same?
as i am sure you are in contact with him i am assuming you know what his response is. yet he doesn't have the balls to come and post...i say chicken ****
nice friend ya got there .....

Whoa whoa whoa... I'm saying the whole reason this started is because I was backing all of the breeders. He IMed me looking for advice and it ended up with him bashing me and everyone else on the site, because he didnt like my opinion. I'm guessing he "liked" how pissed I got about his comments, that he wanted to hear everyone else's as well. I am in no way friends with this guy, nor have I talked to him (or plan to) about his response to this.

 

[MichaelJ]

nice to know you are talking poo abut some of the breeders behind their backs. real nice. do you feel the same?
as i am sure you are in contact with him i am assuming you know what his response is. yet he doesn't have the balls to come and post...i say chicken ****
nice friend ya got there .....

Robin it's uncanny how you always seem to say exactly what I want to say.. but have been yelled at by mods to stop..

Although I do still love ya Scott and Nikki .. but this kid is a bit out line..

I'm going to stay away from this post before I get more angry..

 

[robin]

Whoa whoa whoa... I'm saying the whole reason this started is because I was backing all of the breeders. He IMed me looking for advice and it ended up with him bashing me and everyone else on the site, because he didnt like my opinion. I'm guessing he "liked" how pissed I got about his comments, that he wanted to hear everyone else's as well. I am in no way friends with this guy, nor have I talked to him (or plan to) about his response to this.

well if that is the case. then forward all your IM's to one of the mods so they can take a further look to review his account/user status here on gecko forums

 

[robin]

oh yeah i said it and i'll say it again CHICKEN POOP

 

[Scott&Nikki]

well if that is the case. then forward all your IM's to one of the mods so they can take a further look to review his account/user status here on gecko forums

it was AIM not PMs on the site... about 2 hours of it

 

[eyelids]

I'd like to know what Bull**** I mean Bulldog said...