can two males "pretend" to mate

[wemery12]

I have a proven male and an unknown gecko. We cannot figure out if the unknown is a male or female. the unknown on gets ontop of the proven male and looks to be mating... however wouldnt the male be on top of the female not the other way around? or could they just be confused and I have two males...

 

[thestack510]

LM@O! If you had two males they would most definitely fight. You would know.

 

[whkrazyk]

yea they would prolly fight, and if they are 2 males, well im not going there

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

If you had 2 males, they would not 'pretend' to mate... they could actually kill each other.

 

[shawn97]

I agree with the rest of them. I would never keep 2 males and risk there life.

 

[Dani51707]

i have 2 males that have been together for over 5 yrs that i was given over 7 months ago and they dont fight. and for the mating i know males will only try to mate if a ovulating female is there. so he/she might be just trying to lay on them. sometimes they lay to get heat off each other

 

[wemery12]

no its more then just laying around... the one on the bottom puts up its tail and then with a close look i can see something coming out of the one on the top... and the one on top is deffinatly inside of the one on the bottom so... there doing something but the one that is on the bottom when i bought it the guy said it was a proven male ... could they be mating with the female ontop?

 

[Vyeguy]

picture will help us sex them if need be

 

[THE WHISPERER]

For any other person out there reading this thats new to the gecko world, please sex your geckos BEFORE puting them together. Take a picture, Post it, and let all the wonderfully knowladged people on this forum help you out. JUST THROWING THEM TOGETHER IS NOT THE PROPER WAY TO SEX THEM.

 

[hybrid]

if the one on top is "inside" the bottom one, then im sorry to say u are mistaken the bottom one as a male. it is def a female. please post a pic to discuss how u can tell the diff, we will help you.

as for 2 males being together, i highly doubt that they wouldnt fight. even if my males see each other when i have them out for weighing or whatnot they try to bulk up and fight. i dont see how they could be kept together at all. unless maybe they are young and not mature, then MAYBE they wont fight.

 

[wemery12]

they are both 2 years old and the guy said it was a male so i did not do it irresponsibly he said it was a male so whats up?

 

[THE WHISPERER]

they are both 2 years old and the guy said it was a male so i did not do it irresponsibly he said it was a male so whats up?

I have a proven male and an unknown gecko. We cannot figure out if the unknown is a male or female.

If you weren't sure if the other gecko was male or female and you just put them together not knowing just to see what happens, than I'm sorry but you did do this irresponsibly.

 

[thestack510]

It isn't difficult at all to determine the gender of a Leo. Look for pores and hemipenal bulges. If you see them you have a male, if not then you have a female. If you look it up I'm sure you'll find some pics to help you out.

 

[acpart]

I can understand that you would trust what the guy in the pet store (I assume it was a pet store) said because, after all, it was the pet store. Unfortunately, not everyone at the pet store knows what he or she is doing. My first gecko, a juvenile, not a baby, was sold to me as a male by a guy who said he also bred geckos. He was wrong. There have even been stories on the forums of people who bought geckos past hatchling age from a breeder at a show who told them it was one gender and was wrong. As a person new to the hobby, I don't blame you for assuming that the guy was right and acting accordingly. Now it's important for you to find out for sure what gender they both are, separate them if necessary, and possibly prepare for eggs, or contact someone (on here, maybe) who lives near you and may want to incubate those eggs for you.

Aliza

 

[Gregg M]

Here is a bit of info for you girls and boys... Behavior like this is well documented in the reptile world... Males do "breed" other males as a show of dominance... It is 100% possible that one male leo will submit to another more dominant male and avoid a fight... 2 male leos will not always fight if housed together... The odds are better that they will fight but it will not always be the outcome...

Also, one male can easily insert hemipenes into another males cloaca...

I have personally seen this in male bitis I have housed together, 2 male western diamond backs and I have seen it often in varanids... I have also personally observed this in toads and frogs...

Cut and pasted!!!
Reptiles: Homosexual behavior is not uncommon in reptiles. Female homosexuality is engaged in by the American chameleon Anolis. A male lizard of the genus Teiidae can copulate, by inserting his hemipenes into the cloaca of a receptive partner, equally well with females or males. "Homosexual copulation stimulates the passive male, so that he may change roles with the previously active male and complete a copulation in turn Among the Iguanidae, ten of twenty-one observed copulations were male homosexual" (Denniston, 1980, p. 31). The purpose of homosexual behavior in some lizards may be territorial (Kirsch & Rodman, 1982). Males may mount other males as a show of dominion over a breeding area in order monopolize the chance to reproduce with females.

 

[leonut]

I swear the questions this forum gets...

 

[GeckoGathering]

male+male

Here is a bit of info for you girls and boys... Behavior like this is well documented in the reptile world... Males do "breed" other males as a show of dominance... It is 100% possible that one male leo will submit to another more dominant male and avoid a fight... 2 male leos will not always fight if housed together... The odds are better that they will fight but it will not always be the outcome...

Also, one male can easily insert hemipenes into another males cloaca...

I have personally seen this in male bitis I have housed together, 2 male western diamond backs and I have seen it often in varanids... I have also personally observed this in toads and frogs...

Cut and pasted!!!
Reptiles: Homosexual behavior is not uncommon in reptiles. Female homosexuality is engaged in by the American chameleon Anolis. A male lizard of the genus Teiidae can copulate, by inserting his hemipenes into the cloaca of a receptive partner, equally well with females or males. "Homosexual copulation stimulates the passive male, so that he may change roles with the previously active male and complete a copulation in turn Among the Iguanidae, ten of twenty-one observed copulations were male homosexual" (Denniston, 1980, p. 31). The purpose of homosexual behavior in some lizards may be territorial (Kirsch & Rodman, 1982). Males may mount other males as a show of dominion over a breeding area in order monopolize the chance to reproduce with females.

Very interesting Gregg. Thanks for inputting
this. I've seen the behavior motions in two fixed male cats.
Almost resembled geckos with biting of the neck, etc. Take care. Hj

 

[wemery12]

i have now been noticing this "breeding" or what ever you want to call it almost every night now. I did not buy my male from a pet store i bought it from a private breeder who he said he has had babies come from him. next time i see this happening i will get a picture for you guys. I do not know whether to prepare for eggs or not. what should i do?

 

[acpart]

Can you tell for sure by looking at them whether these geckos are males or females? If you're not sure how to tell, search/google for a picture of male and female leopard geckos so you have a model.

Aliza

 

[wemery12]

i am not sure but the one that has been on the bottom during this entire thing started digging in some of the sand that is in the tank and has gotten alot bigger so i placed a box of moist vermiculite *spelling* to see what happens... if i get eggs how should i incubate them?