Does anyone have any full grown tremper albino giants who stayed light

[preacherman]

... most of it was directed towards you...

-Nate

In that case, I am truly sorry. If I really am coming across that way, then I'm glad you brought it to my attention.

 

[miamimike]

I wont be-little myself to respond to such a childish post Nate....although.....considering the source...I am not at all surprised by it.
But I would love to discuss proper grammar with you in Daytona if you can make it ......I am sooooo in need of a lesson.
I will even buy the lunch!...See how nice we are here in this forum??....Just give us another chance.....wont you please?

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

I wont be-little myself to respond to such a childish post Nate....although.....considering the source...I am not at all surprised by it.
But I would love to discuss proper grammar with you in Daytona if you can make it ......I am sooooo in need of a lesson.
I will even buy the lunch!...See how nice we are here in this forum??....Just give us another chance.....wont you please?

you won't belittle yourself? I'm afraid you just did, you singlehandedly brought this thread to a new low.

I simply asked for you to fix your grammar, so i could figure out what you were saying...

you tried to make me look like a fool, but it backfired, tough guy.

-Nate

 

[miamimike]

Tea then??

I am sorry Nate....but I get ESPECIALLY irritated by people that say they are not trying to be rude and then say something rude like....and I quote "...if you even have one"......you wanna be rude...be rude...but dont be rude AND a hypocrite.

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

Tea then??

I am sorry Nate....but I get ESPECIALLY irritated by people that say they are not trying to be rude and then say something rude like....and I quote "...if you even have one"......you wanna be rude...be rude...but dont be rude AND a hypocrite.

have I ever censored myself on this forum? No. So if I wanted to be rude, I would have been. I was not trying to be rude. Sometimes, people just want to get their .02 in, I wasn't sure if that was the case... but now I am.

I wont be-little myself to respond to such a childish post Nate....

well, you failed.

-Nate

p.s.
If I ever get down to the daytona show, I'll be sure to stop by your table.

 

[miamimike]

I am so sorry I have failed you Nate.....

Care to tell anyone else that they think they are God and then say you arent trying to be rude?....if you feel like it go ahead....we will all just watch and learn from your ways......oh proper one.

 

[Geckoreo]

my post has been hi-jacked by irrelevance

Anyhow,
I guess another question I would like to ask for those voices of experience is, Have you ever had a "brown" gecko turn light?

My giants used to be as light as light gets and once I bred them, they browned and I have always kept them in the high 80's.

Thanks,

 

[miamimike]

All in fun Robert...I am not the most experienced...but I have personally found that once mine got brown they didnt go back to their original state unfortunately....but that was not a large enough number of animals to say for sure...just my findings.

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

I am so sorry I have failed you Nate.....

Care to tell anyone else that they think they are God and then say you arent trying to be rude?....if you feel like it go ahead....we will all just watch and learn from your ways......oh proper one.

you failed yourself. I didn't say that I wouldn't 'belittle' myself. I'm not affected by anyones interpretation of me.

read the post over, and then try to make a more relevant post.

Better luck next time,
-Nate

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

my post has been hi-jacked by irrelevance

Anyhow,
I guess another question I would like to ask for those voices of experience is, Have you ever had a "brown" gecko turn light?

My giants used to be as light as light gets and once I bred them, they browned and I have always kept them in the high 80's.

Thanks,

and I would disagree with mike, not because we are having a childish spat, but because I have experienced it. I had a blazing blizzard go from gray, back to pinkish white, when it's basking temp went back to normal.

-Nate

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I have had darkened Trempers get lighter as they grow. I think it depends on the individual gecko. Breeding seems to make them darken too, but I`de say if it was just your hotspot that is in the high 80`s, that was the reason, or part of it.

 

[David Loftin]

and I would disagree with mike, not because we are having a childish spat, but because I have experienced it. I had a blazing blizzard go from gray, back to pinkish white, when it's basking temp went back to normal.

-Nate

IMO, Blizzards/Blazing Blizzards are a completely different story than Plain Tremper Albinos. I have ~15 Blizzards, 10 Blazing Blizzards [7 Trempers and 3 Rainwaters], one Mack Snow Blizzard and one Super Snow Blizzard. I find that the Blizzards regardless if they are combined with an Albino will drastically change coloration throughout the day... Regardless of Temperature, being housed with other geckos, the amount of indirect sunlight that enters their enclosures or even breeding. The Blizzard that I have that changes coloration the most is my Super Snow Blizzard. He changes color dramatically while just feeding.. He is really weird. He will go from near solid black to gray with white sides.. to almost white in a matter of a couple of minutes.

My Experience with Tremper Albinos.. Is that after breeding.. Their coloration will greatly reduce. In my experience the reducing in color is either a gecko turning darker [generally more brown] or just loosing the patterning that it once had. The Temperatures are exactly the same, The care is exactly the same, the food is exactly the same.. So the only reason I can think of them darkening.. was the fact that they were bred.

Anyhow,
I guess another question I would like to ask for those voices of experience is, Have you ever had a "brown" gecko turn light?

My giants used to be as light as light gets and once I bred them, they browned and I have always kept them in the high 80's.

Thanks,

I haven't had a brown gecko turn light.. Usually just the other way around.

I keep my Leos at a basking temperature of 90-92 and a cool side of ~ 75. You may want to try bumping the basking temperatures up to see if that helps at all.. It couldn't do any harm.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Improving the color of any leopard gecko (even a Tremper albino) can be done through line breeding.

That is the main purpose of line breeding. To improve on a certain trait or quality. This is the BEST way to improve the coloration in a leopard gecko line. Manipulating the temperature, either via incubation or habitat does not give you a genetically brighter animal. It is only a temporary and in my opinion un-natural enhancement.

Nate, please tell me how this information is in any way rude.
It is valuable information, do with it what you will. You essentially instigated an argument by choosing to disagree with it. That is your choice. However to hide behind the findings of someone else, without having any first hand experience is rather senseless. My findings and experience with the morph should count for something.

I don't think it is un-natural, or temporary... it is (IMO) showing the true colors... Seems like I share the same beliefs as someone who (unarguably) knows what he is talking about...

http://leopardgecko.com/colorfaq.html#a8

...but to each his own...

-Nate

Some people used to believe that the world was flat. Why... because they heard it from someone else. That theory was challenged and proven to be untrue. Thank goodness for free thought. :main_rolleyes:


Dan, line breeding and selective breeding are semi inter-changable. Yet, they do mean two totally different things.

Line breeding is done with related animals and selective breeding can be done with non related animals, as well as animals that are related. ( I think) Just my take on it off the cuff, not quoted from any source other than my shallow brain pan.

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

IMO, Blizzards/Blazing Blizzards are a completely different story than Plain Tremper Albinos. .

wow, never knew that... are blizzards and BB's the only ones that do the 'chameleon' thing?

Actually, I've noticed that my enigmas do the color change thing too... hmmmm
is this an occasional thing with these morphs? or is it fairly common? possibly genetic??


-Nate

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Robert, sorry for steppin on your thread.

From my experience... I have had all three strains of albinisim change. I have NEVER had one return to it's full glory. It seems after they once that change happens for whatever reason, they are never quite the same. I only mention the albinos because Blizzards are a completely different animal.

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

Nate, please tell me how this information is in any way rude.
It is valuable information, do with it what you will. You essentially instigated an argument by choosing to disagree with it. That is your choice. However to hide behind the findings of someone else, without having any first hand experience is rather senseless. My findings and experience with the morph should count for something.

Some people used to believe that the world was flat. Why... because they heard it from someone else. That theory was challenged and proven to be untrue. Thank goodness for free thought.

I questioned, you were offended by it... the thread crumbled.

there is a massive difference between ancient Greeks and RT... Ron has proved his theories, and so has everyone that has acquired his animals...
Ancient Greeks were wrong from the beginning
so ya, nice try...
anyways, who's reputation is being tarnished here... the 'new guy' or the 'established guy' who is arguing with the 'new guy'... and losing?

-Nate

 

[David Loftin]

I have Patternless that do the color change thing.. To a lesser extent. The enigmas I have do not do anything like that. They will change their coloration very slightly throughout the day.

The color changing with Blizzards/Patternless is a completley standard thing. Nothing weird about it.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Nate, not all of your mentors theories are proven beyond doubt... no one is beyond reproach.

I am not attempting to tarnish anyones reputation. I am stating my OPINIONS and you are dismissing them. Like I said before, do with it what you will.

Maybe someone else has the answer that suits you.

 

[David Loftin]

Can we all just please stay on track here. I enjoy this forum.. because the majority of the time.. it is drama free. There is no need for this.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Just my take on it off the cuff, not quoted from any source other than my shallow brain pan.

Same here. I just figure since one more or less denotes they are related, that we should not refer to one, as being the other. Almost everyone does it though, I guess. The term "linebred" is often used instead. So it seems.

Just trying to be "politically correct". lol