Enigma x enigma?

[miamimike]

I was just wondering if you had a chance to test breed any of the enigmas from the enigma x enigma cross to see if they produce more or all enigmas when bred Kelli, just in case there is a super form of sorts that is indistinguishable from the heterozygous form.

 

[PacHerp]

wow Kelli... thats surprises me! thanks for the input!

 

[Kotsay1414]

I have done several Enigma X Enigma breedings and statistically produced 1/2 Enigma 1/2 non Enigma, about the same as when I have bred Enigma X non Enigma.

From what it sounds, majority of the Enigma x Enigma pairings were Heterozygous Enigma x Heterozygous Enigma and the Enigma x non Enigma were Heterozygous Enigmas outcrossed.

 

[Ipsl]

To clear up any confusion... if you produce an animal from an Enigma X non Enigma breeding that is not an Enigma, this animal is NOT Het for Enigma.

I have done several Enigma X Enigma breedings and statistically produced 1/2 Enigma 1/2 non Enigma, about the same as when I have bred Enigma X non Enigma.

Im not too sure but does that sound like an incomplete Dominate or...? I dunno. Really... I dont know how to process that in a punnent square:main_laugh: :main_laugh: Ahh thats all my head sees now adays. :main_rolleyes:

 

[KelliH]

I was just wondering if you had a chance to test breed any of the enigmas from the enigma x enigma cross to see if they produce more or all enigmas when bred Kelli?

Yes I have and thus far have not had an Enigma produce 100% Enigmas when bred to any other gecko, but have not done a ton of breedings yet.

Sort of off topic, but has anyone ever heard of a Spider Ball Python that produces 100% Spiders consistantly? Spiders have been around for a while now, so if there a "Super" form of Spider out there it should have been discovered by now.

 

[KelliH]

From what it sounds, majority of the Enigma x Enigma pairings were Heterozygous Enigma x Heterozygous Enigma and the Enigma x non Enigma were Heterozygous Enigmas outcrossed.

The first season I bred Enigmas I bred them to only each other. Those offspring are what I bred last season. You would think that out of one of the 2nd generation breedings there would have been a "Super" Enigma in there somewhere, but anything's possible.

 

[Kotsay1414]

Yes I have and thus far have not had an Enigma produce 100% Enigmas when bred to any other gecko, but have not done a ton of breedings yet.

Sort of off topic, but has anyone ever heard of a Spider Ball Python that produces 100% Spiders consistantly? Spiders have been around for a while now, so if there a "Super" form of Spider out there it should have been discovered by now.

That is very interesting. Just to prove things out, it would be fun to take an few Enigmas from Enigma x Enigma parents and cross them into other morphs to see the ratio of Enigma hatchlings.

 

[Kotsay1414]

The first season I bred Enigmas I bred them to only each other. Those offspring are what I bred last season. You would think that out of one of the 2nd generation breedings there would have been a "Super" Enigma in there somewhere, but anything's possible.

That is what my post right after kinda hinted at. That is very interesting. Genetically, I don't really know what to say to that.

 

[Ipsl]

have the Normal offspring been back breed or breed with each other? Just to see if the enigma gene is Really Completely out of them? Maybe it Could be like Ee thing.

 

[DAWNoftheLEO]

have the Normal offspring been back breed or breed with each other? Just to see if the enigma gene is Really Completely out of them? Maybe it Could be like Ee thing.

Like the enigma sibs as they are so marketed.. That'd be interesting//

 

[Okee Reps]

....has anyone ever heard of a Spider Ball Python that produces 100% Spiders consistantly? Spiders have been around for a while now, so if there a "Super" form of Spider out there it should have been discovered by now.

There is no super form, at least not one that has discovered as of today. The theory is that all the supers come out stillborn. The spider morph has well documented neurological problems (I'm still buying one soon).

 

[dprince]

See, this sort of goes along with my theory that enigmas are co-dominate, not incomplete dominance like mack snows. But I wanted to know from people who have been doing the breedings, since I have not. See, with the enigma x enigma breedings, there are some that are homozygous for enigma, but don't *look* different.

I think people are getting confused by the term "het"......heterozygous means that something carries one copy of whatever gene. People often sell geckos (or snakes, or whatever) as "hets" because you can't visibly *see* what the other trait is that they carry. For example, if you are selling a heterozygous mack snow (one gene) or homozygous (super) snow, the phenotypes - aka the way they look - is different, so you don't need to clarify that it's het for the gene - it's physically obvious. With dominant (co-dom, incomplete dom, etc.) genes, you will *physically* know if they carry the gene or not.........that's why the "normals" from mack snow or enigma pairings aren't het for those traits.......it's physically obvious. Hopefully that helps and doesn't confuse......

 

[Mel&Keith]

To clear up any confusion... if you produce an animal from an Enigma X non Enigma breeding that is not an Enigma, this animal is NOT Het for Enigma.

I have done several Enigma X Enigma breedings and statistically produced 1/2 Enigma 1/2 non Enigma, about the same as when I have bred Enigma X non Enigma.

Thanks for posting Kelli, that's why I wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth so to speak. Interesting stuff...

 

[Ipsl]

Well I would ask what a super form of an enigma would be? The variance and amount of spots? Like different colors birght? etc... thats kinda a problem with this morph esp fpr me.... theres not a real defining one thing. just spots and wierdness.