Jungle Pattern

[stinky]

Never dealt with Jungle, so got some questions.

1. If I cross Jungle x normal, I should get some jungle and some normal, right? So, if I have a Jungle Mack Snow x normal Tremper, I can get some Jungle Tremper by 2nd generation, right?

2. If I cross Jungle Mack Snow x Jungle Mack Snow, will I get Jungle Super Snow? That is, can Super Snow have Jungle pattern? I don't think I've ever seen a picture of it.

 

[robin]

1. normal x jungle = normals or abbarant pattern should be no jungles unless the normals holds jungle or stripe genes

jungle Mack Snow x normal Tremper = possible jungle tremper by the second generations if the odds work right for you

 

[Wandering Paddle]

2. you have a 25% chance of producing supers. they will not look like jungles.... super snows all have the same pattern (unless other mutations are at work, like patternless or blizzard) The mack snows and non-snows produced will likely have jungle/stripe patterns

 

[robin]

oh yeah i forgot about the snow gene *slow*

 

[stinky]

1. normal x jungle = normals or abbarant pattern should be no jungles unless the normals holds jungle or stripe genes

jungle Mack Snow x normal Tremper = possible jungle tremper by the second generations if the odds work right for you

So, is Jungle a polygenetic or ressive?

If polygenetic, I should get some jungles with normal x jungle, right?

If I only get it in 2nd generation, it should be ressive, right?

Sorry, I'm confused cause I always assumed jungle to be polygenetic.

 

[robin]

So, is Jungle a polygenetic or ressive?

If polygenetic, I should get some jungles with normal x jungle, right?

If I only get it in 2nd generation, it should be ressive, right?

Sorry, I'm confused cause I always assumed jungle to be polygenetic.

the jungle gene works like the stripe gene, recessive. the you can make "het" stripes and the jungle gene seems to work the same.

 

[stinky]

Ohhhhhh ... if recessive, I know how to "deal" with it. He he he.

Thanks!!!

 

[robin]

no problem

 

[Nir]

no it not!!!!
is polygenetic! not recercive! robin who sad you that the jungal morph is ressive?
jungal is absalutly polygenetic! there is no leo het jungal!
hope I helped

 

[eyelids]

The Jungles I work with act dominant... I've even gotten Stripes [always without complete tail stripe ] from them x normal ['05 classic Bells from Reptile industries]... They came out of my Mack projects several years ago... I can go on about them for a long time and may later, but right now I'm not up for all the typing... Here's a thread about my 'Funky Jungles' that came from crossing these Jungles with some hidden gene carried by an old Blizzard female...

 

[Wandering Paddle]

jungle and stripe are related in my opinion... some disagree. From everything i have seen these traits seem recessive, but not simple recessive....

 

[robin]

The Jungles I work with act dominant... I've even gotten Stripes [always without complete tail stripe ] from them x normal ['05 classic Bells from Reptile industries].

striped or junglish bodies without the tail stripe is called an aberrant, not a stripe (or jungle)

 

[robin]

no it not!!!!
is polygenetic! not recercive! robin who sad you that the jungal morph is ressive?
jungal is absalutly polygenetic! there is no leo het jungal!
hope I helped

have you ever worked significantly with stripes? have you ever attempted to make het stripes? have you bred those hets together?

i have had and made het stripes (banded bodies) and bred them together and have produced stripes (consistently). the coloring of the stripe is line bred however the stripe gene itself acts simple recessive.

 

[robin]

jungle and stripe are related in my opinion... some disagree. From everything i have seen these traits seem recessive, but not simple recessive....

they are definitely related!

 

[justindh1]

I think that the topic on what the genetics of a strip and jungle is all quesswork right now. No body knows the true genetics. When a thread llike this happens then theres always contradicting information. Someone needs to actually figure out whats going on.

striped or junglish bodies without the tail stripe is called an aberrant, not a stripe (or jungle)

Theres many breeders big and small who are selling strips without a full striped tail. Many bold strips and striped bells that i see for sale don't have a full strip.

 

[robin]

I think that the topic on what the genetics of a strip and jungle is all quesswork right now. No body knows the true genetics. When a thread llike this happens then theres always contradicting information. Someone needs to actually figure out whats going on.



Theres many breeders big and small who are selling strips without a full striped tail. Many bold strips and striped bells that i see for sale don't have a full strip.

to me this they have a banded tail and stripe body they are aberrants. now these might be het stripes but they are not stripes. not all stripes have a solid unbroken stripe tail. some have more of a jungley tail. some jungles have jungley bodies and a full stripe tail.

as far as stripe acting simple recessive ask kelli as well. as i she has created double het stripe/bell and het stripes.

 

[Nir]

have you ever worked significantly with stripes? have you ever attempted to make het stripes? have you bred those hets together?

i have had and made het stripes (banded bodies) and bred them together and have produced stripes (consistently). the coloring of the stripe is line bred however the stripe gene itself acts simple recessive.

I talked about jungals not about stripes... there is recersive stripe, but what we call jungal is polygenetic, becuse you may get from breading too leos(when one of them jungal or them both) leos that look normal and some that look jungal, becuse the normals didnt got enough jungal genes you dont see the jungal on them... but when you bread those 2 normals you get jungals so it not recercive becuse even if there is only on perent is jungal you still have chance for jungals but it not dominant becuse you can get jungals that you dont see on them the jungal pettern... this is apolygenetic mopth...it all about luck...

 

[KelliH]

The Jungles I work with act dominant... I've even gotten Stripes [always without complete tail stripe ] from them x normal ['05 classic Bells from Reptile industries]... They came out of my Mack projects several years ago... I can go on about them for a long time and may later, but right now I'm not up for all the typing... Here's a thread about my 'Funky Jungles' that came from crossing these Jungles with some hidden gene carried by an old Blizzard female...

Maybe your normals were het Stripe.

 

[KelliH]

BTW, I don't know how the Jungle gene is passed on but I do know the Bold Stripe gene is passed on the same way as a recessive gene. Stripe x Normal = 100% Het Stripe.

 

[Tony C]

I talked about jungals not about stripes... there is recersive stripe, but what we call jungal is polygenetic, becuse you may get from breading too leos(when one of them jungal or them both) leos that look normal and some that look jungal, becuse the normals didnt got enough jungal genes you dont see the jungal on them... but when you bread those 2 normals you get jungals so it not recercive becuse even if there is only on perent is jungal you still have chance for jungals but it not dominant becuse you can get jungals that you dont see on them the jungal pettern... this is apolygenetic mopth...it all about luck...

What is your source for this info?