Mack Snow x Line Bred Snow

[robin]

see this is what can be produced by pairing up mack and LBS together. crossing the lbs into the macks snow line are going to produce some AMAZING snow, period. they already are. they are just improving on each other.

 

[fallen_angel]

Yeah buddy He is the yellowest one we've produced, too.. I mean, he looks very white since he's so big, but he does have a considerable amount of yellow on the sides.. not bad for being the most yellow we've ever had though.

 

[robin]

have you ever notices a size difference in mack snows and LBS?

 

[fallen_angel]

Not particularly since our MS male is 135 grams and he's been the stud to almost all of the Snows we've produced.. all of the babies don't necessarily get to be as large as him, but they always hatch out pretty big and grow at faster rates.. and your LBS looks chunky, like ours.. they seem to put on and carry weight well

 

[robin]

samara the LBS i think is 63 grams if i remember correctly and my SS male who is not quite a year yet is about 67 grams. i have heard though of some SS starting off slow of just being small in general.

 

[fallen_angel]

Our LBS female was 66 grams for the first two seasons, then grew to be 80 grams after that.. crazy.

And yeah, SS tend to be smaller in general.. for now.. although that SSRW of yours is pretty chunky, how much does she weigh?

 

[robin]

the ssrw is 56 grams and not quite a year. so yeah i expect her to get larger. that RWPA weights like 67 grams LOL and is not quite a year either hahaha

 

[janjgeckos]

I am glad to see this because Im doing a Mac Bell male with 4 Tug Snow Enigma het bell females, Im also doing a male Tug snow het bell x a few Mac snow Enigma Bells.
I cant wait to see the babies from these groups.

 

[Albey]

Hi Everyone,
Robin contacted me about this thread by email and asked me to weigh in here. Here you go.

The problem with Mack Snows has always been that even though they hatch out pure white and black they don’t stay those colors. As they age the white turns either a yellow or a gray color. It stands to reason that breeding them to an exceptional Line Bred Snow that is already pure white and black would be a perfect match. The only down side to that is if you try to selectively breed the offspring together you run the risk of producing Super Snows which in my opinion are an inferior type of Snow. They tend to be very skinny and just not as robust looking. There are of course exceptions to the rule with some Super Snows being real beasts but on a whole (and of course this is only my opinion) they are just not a strong animal.

Now Line Bred Snows on the other hand are some of my very favorite Leopard Geckos to work with. The main reason I stopped producing them was they just weren’t selling when the Mack Super Snows hit the market. I had worked very long and hard to get them to the point that they were pure black and white in color and felt a $300.00 - $400.00 price tag for one was not out of line. You could get a Mack Super Snow for as little as $100.00 pretty soon after they hit the market and people were just going for those instead. I decided to hold off on producing any more Line Bred Snows until the Mack’s had run their course. Maybe it is time to start breeding them again. What do y’all think? :main_yes:

Here are some pictures of four of the Females I kept back. I think they pretty much blow away any Super Snows.

By the way, if you have any specific questions you would like me to answer just post them in this thread and I will try to get to them as soon as I can. :main_thumbsup:

 

[Taquiq]

Beautiful!

 

[herpencounter]

I definitely think you should start breeding them again. But like you said, it is going to be hard to get that price tag. Personally I would be happy to pay 200-400 for a nice LBS. They are so much more unique than a SS. Patterns are be the biggest thing that makes them unique, the thing with the SS is the only thing you can do to change the color or pattern is to add another gene, albino, enigma, patternless, ect. With the LBS you can do anything you want with the pattern or color.

Do you have any opinion on why a LBS x Mack snow will produce super snows?

 

[fallen_angel]

Yeah Albey, I think you DEFINITELY need to produce them again... they are SO HARD to find now, I know I would definitely be buying another from you

There is a question that I had for you specifically, I will quote it because it's earlier in this thread..

 

[fallen_angel]

To Albey:

I'm really curious about the people breeding Line Bred Snows specifically.. I mean, do they always hatch out black and white, or do they still get babies that look yellow/black but turn out very white as adults? Or another way to put it, can you hatch normal, non-Snows from LBS?

I'm wondering if some of the geckos that I think are "normal" are actually lower quality LBS'.. someone else brought this to my attention the other day, saying that if I hatch this baby (pictured below) from LBS x Nova, couldn't it possibly be a LBS Enigma, just lower quality since it isn't black/white? I mean, would this baby be able to produce Snows once it's older? So many questions..

Also, thank you for joining in on this thread, I was hoping you would

Oh, and another question.. what about getting back into producing LBS, and introduce the Enigma line so you have LBS Enigmas? It's what we're trying to do, but if you did that, I think a lot of people would get into those, too.

 

[janjgeckos]

Here is one of my Tug Snow Enigmas I think they look much better than Mac enigmas, And I also think it may be time to start again.

 

[robin]

start what again?

 

[janjgeckos]

start what again?

For Albey to start breeding the LBS again

 

[robin]

i do not know if he even still has any

 

[janjgeckos]

I think In his reply he said the pics are 4 he held back and it may be time to start producing them again

 

[fallen_angel]

Very nice Jan j

Here's some pics of the one's we've produced.. they came from Griffith, pictured earlier in this thread, who was originally produced by MS X LBS.. Griffith was bred with a Bell Enigma and produced these:

Then we took our Mack Snow fascio. cross Enigma from Albey, also pictured earlier in this thread, and bred her with a Super Snow that came from LBS x MS.. we produced one Snow Enigma and one Super Snow Enigma from the pairing:

 

[thegeckoguy23]

does it matter if she is line bred?