Mack Snows the next BB?

[KelliH]

Albey, I agree with you that Snow Albinos should still be priced higher. I can promise you that you will not see me price my Mack Snow Bells anywhere near that low this season. I would rather keep them all and continue to pay to feed them then whore them out like that. Actually, I would rather give them away to trusted friends than whore them out like that.

I do want to point something out about the Mack Snow project. I have heard from several breeders how they are pissed off about the price drops (and I've been hearing this for like a year now), but I kind of look at it this way: My initial investment in the Mack project was $1300 for a male Co dom Mack Snow. I'm not going to say here how much money I have made (and am still making) from that purchase but suffice it to say it's a lot. Most of the other breeders that have complained have made money on their initial investments as well. But all of them have made money on the project. It blows my mind sometimes, it's as if they think that they are going to become millionares from breeding leopard geckos. I'm not referring to you in this instance Albey, I remember when you got your Supers and Macks at Daytona in 04, probably before even Alex got his hands on them, and you if no one else have good reason to be upset.

This thread is about Macks and I don't want to go to far off topic but I will say a few words about the Enigma project: I will do everything, and I mean everything in my power to protect that project. Even though Mark was the first to hatch Enigmas, I feel that the project is the most important and exciting one ever for me personally, and you will not see me flooding the market or anything like that. I have too much respect for my customers and myself to do that. Advice to all that currently have or plan on having Enigmas in the near future: be creative with your crosses!

 

[giantkeeper]

I will say a few words about the Enigma project: I will do everything, and I mean everything in my power to protect that project. Even though Mark was the first to hatch Enigmas, I feel that the project is the most important and exciting one ever for me personally, and you will not see me flooding the market or anything like that. I have too much respect for my customers and myself to do that. Advice to all that currently have or plan on having Enigmas in the near future: be creative with your crosses!

I am happy to hear you say that Kelli! It's kind of refreshing and reassuring at the same time :main_thumbsup:

 

[KelliH]

Well thank you Chris. I just want to reassure people of that. The Enigma project is so special to me, moreso I think than any other that I have worked on.

 

[Gregg M]

The Enigma project is so special to me, moreso I think than any other that I have worked on.

Kelli,
You are not alone in that... I have been excited about certain breeding projects but this one is by far, the one I am most excited about even if I wont make a millinon bucks on it... It is one awesome morph that will just get better the more it is outcrossed...

 

[Brian O]

It looks like they are starting to drop already. http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=10&de=487335

 

[Gazz]

It looks like they are starting to drop already. http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=10&de=487335

They can keep them very nice as pets or breeder but i like snow to to white as possible there to yellow for me.These are the mack snow lines you want to this color in these links below.Then you can ask a higher price a people on a misson.This is what people aim should be to keep mack snows in the frame.Personly i'd call them mack pastel snow and i would't breed them to a mack snow to keep them as white as possible minimum of very pale cream.

These should be most breeder goal for the mack snow and i've seen some trying to do this keeping them true :main_thumbsup: .
Grade A example of mack snow :main_thumbsup: .
http://www.goldengategeckos.com/gallery pix/Lustre2.JPG
Grade A example of mack snow :main_thumbsup:
http://www.goldengategeckos.com/gallery pix/Lumina.JPG

 

[marula]

Advice to all that currently have or plan on having Enigmas in the near future: be creative with your crosses!

i think this is the point...if you working with expencive morphs for the pleasure to working with you buy the best (often for a ton of money) because you have an idea about what you whant to TRY to do with the morph (and for this reason you have some possibilities to working well and for long time with them).
if you buy the expencive morphs only for try to be millionair with geckos is probably better spend money for a REALLY NICE holyday:main_thumbsup:
marcia (goldengategeckos, a perfect example of really nice work with geckos!) have some really common morph, but you can found the best at her facility....because she working only with the best around and because she try to produce better geckos every years.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Yes, looks like the "big" guys are having a little price war. Alex has Macks listed at like $25-$50 dollars. So apparently these guys think the het Albino ones they have, they should only be worth a little more?:main_huh:

Thats what happens unfortunately. It is like monkey-see, monkey do.

It is really a shame they felt they had to make so many, that they now have them priced less than some breeders will sell a normal for. Know what I had/have available for 2006? Something like 6.3.0 various heterozygous Macks. I have not even hatched a Super yet. You know, me, the guy that was out to hurt the project somehow according to Alex, and the infamous thief, Chris Johnson. Just mind boggling.

 

[Brian O]

Gazz these are ment to be breeders or why would you make hets? They are obviously not the finished product. They are however a good start for a project at a reasonable price.

Like everyone else said earlier you have to do someone work to get something in return. You can't always take two leos and get instant returns. You have to add something to them to make them different or standout.

 

[trizzypballr]

It looks like they are starting to drop already. http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=10&de=487335

The thing I would like to point out here, is as Ive read a few other breeders say earlier in this thread, those geckos are being sold because of their name, not their actual looks. yeah they are Co-Dom het trempers, but look at them, if the post didnt say they were a co dom you would have never even known. People are still able to sell Co-Doms for over $200 without being het for anything, as long as they are a nice animal. People are complaining about snows, but have you seen the actual quality looking snows selling for $75 yet? They are still a commodity.

 

[trizzypballr]

These should be most breeder goal for the mack snow and i've seen some trying to do this keeping them true :main_thumbsup: .
Grade A example of mack snow :main_thumbsup: .
http://www.goldengategeckos.com/gallery pix/Lustre2.JPG
Grade A example of mack snow :main_thumbsup:
http://www.goldengategeckos.com/gallery pix/Lumina.JPG

Those macks are beautiful! No way their going for $90 a pop

 

[Brian O]

Brandon you are right. They are selling because of their genetics not their looks. They are not a finished product. Obviuosly if you have a nicer example it will always be worth more. Which is why they are being sold for less. Everyone and their mother has a mack snow by now. So if you want to sell yours you need to have something that others want or sell for less. Thats why some SHTCTB sell for $20 and some sell for $1200.

I'm surprised there aren't rainwaters and bell macks that have started dropping as well. Obviously the better examples will keep some value but why are just the trempers dropping?

 

[eyelids]

Probably because there's more out there.

 

[Brian O]

Thats kind of obvious Michael Why is there more trempers? Its not like most people didn't have a rainwater or bell. They were obtainable and if you were mass breeding like this why just tremper. Maybe this is just a conspiracy theory lol but maybe they are just starting with the tremps and will switch once the sales plumet. So that way they sell the tremps. Otherwise everyone would just buy all the bells and then the rainwaters. Man am I grasping.

 

[Gregg M]

They can keep them very nice as pets or breeder but i like snow to to white as possible there to yellow for me.These are the mack snow lines you want to this color in these links below.Then you can ask a higher price a people on a misson.This is what people aim should be to keep mack snows in the frame.Personly i'd call them mack pastel snow and i would't breed them to a mack snow to keep them as white as possible minimum of very pale cream.

These should be most breeder goal for the mack snow and i've seen some trying to do this keeping them true :main_thumbsup: .

Not sure why you think that should be the only goal for the macks... There can be much more to the line than just being black and white... And as far as the ones that are not black and white, I do not think the word pastel quite fits them... A mack snow is a mack snow genetically wise... It does not make sence to add an unnessisary name...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I`m not sure why, maybe because Tremper Albinos are more common, but pretty much everyone started selling Trempers/Hets first.

 

[Kotsay1414]

These should be most breeder goal for the mack snow and i've seen some trying to do this keeping them true :main_thumbsup: .
Grade A example of mack snow :main_thumbsup: .
http://www.goldengategeckos.com/gallery pix/Lustre2.JPG
Grade A example of mack snow :main_thumbsup:
http://www.goldengategeckos.com/gallery pix/Lumina.JPG

Those are actually from Albey's Mack Snow / Fasciolatus. I have one from that cross too. http://mkgeckos.com/slideshow/snow_white.html