Miracle Grow Perlite

[Baoh]

The Miracle Grow Perilite says that it contains Miracle Grow liquid fertilizer. The info below was taken off the back of their all purpose liquid fertilizer.Thanks in advance for your time and research.
Nitrogen 12%
Phosphate 4% (p2o5)
Soluble Potash 8% (k2o)
Manganese (MN) 0.05%
0.05% Cheleated Manganese
Zinc 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Zinc


Derived from: Urea, Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate, Manganese Edta, and Zinc Edta

Urea and small amounts of minerals. No big deal. The EDTA is low, too, and it's not like that is a big deal, either, as it is already bound, so it won't leach anything like iron, *assuming* it would pass the barriers of the egg in the first place. I would not be afraid of using it for my animals.

 

[THE WHISPERER]

Thank you Nicholas, and Baoh.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Maurice, you didn't have any problems with this? This will be my first time incubating eggs, and I don't want them dying.

Yep! That's what I'm saying.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

:main_laugh: :main_laugh: :main_laugh:

Urea and small amounts of minerals. No big deal. The EDTA is low, too, and it's not like that is a big deal, either, as it is already bound, so it won't leach anything like iron, *assuming* it would pass the barriers of the egg in the first place. I would not be afraid of using it for my animals.

Another thing is where that info came from:

The info below was taken off the back of their all purpose liquid fertilizer

So the amounts in the actual perlite is MOST LIKELY far lower.

Thanks for your trolling comments, Rick. But unfortunately I'm not the easy target you made me out to be. Oh, and don't thank me for presenting my experiences. I don't give crap! :main_thumbsup:

 

[LeapinLizards]

Lol I don't think Rick was trolling at all Maurice. I think he is genuinely concerned and was looking for information - the same as myself. I personally do not see a point to use the Miracle Gro Perlite when there are entirely pure perlite products on the market, or easily ordered online. How much or how little the eggs will absorb the fertilizer does not matter to me...the fact that there IS a FERTILIZER in the perlite very much concerns me. It's very interesting to hear of experiences people have had with it.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Lol I don't think Rick was trolling at all Maurice. I think he is genuinely concerned and was looking for information - the same as myself.

Heather, to me regarding this particular matter, your interpretation or understanding of these statements is irrelevent. I don't think there's anything funny about the turn this thread suddenly took (for no reason). My ethics are clearly being openly put under attack here, and I WON'T stand for it.

I personally do not see a point to use the Miracle Gro Perlite when there are entirely pure perlite products on the market, or easily ordered online.

You have to agree though, when you've got eggs in the lay box and realize suddenly that you don't have enough perlite, someone may have to look for another option. Also, some people don't see much reasoning behind paying more for shipping than the actual product is worth. Quite a bit of actual first hand experience indicates that in fact this product is OK to use.

How much or how little the eggs will absorb the fertilizer does not matter to me...the fact that there IS a FERTILIZER in the perlite very much concerns me.

No problem. That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Others have had circumstances that made them select this product to incubate their eggs, and they were successful. Is that a reason to put someone's ethics in question?

It's very interesting to hear of experiences people have had with it.

As I see it, that's what the forums are all about. Someone else asked for feedback, and I responded with my experience. The experience I offered was then OPENLY put into question (This "person" never even had the backbone to address me directly!), yet that same experience was later echoed by other members.

 

[LeapinLizards]

Maurice, I think you are reading way too much into what Rick said. He asked if there was anyone with experience over one season...not that he was discrediting the experience you have had...he was wanting more long-term results. If you believe your ethics are in question, then it is you that is misinterpreting the thread...as I know Rick wasn't attacking you.

No one ever once said on this thread that whoever uses this product is unethical, and doesn't care about their animals. I'm sorry you feel as though your ethics were being attacked, but I can assure you that is not so.

 

[Baoh]

So the amounts in the actual perlite is MOST LIKELY far lower.

Agreed. I skimmed past that part.

 

[Baoh]

Lol I don't think Rick was trolling at all Maurice. I think he is genuinely concerned and was looking for information - the same as myself. I personally do not see a point to use the Miracle Gro Perlite when there are entirely pure perlite products on the market, or easily ordered online. How much or how little the eggs will absorb the fertilizer does not matter to me...the fact that there IS a FERTILIZER in the perlite very much concerns me. It's very interesting to hear of experiences people have had with it.

Fertilizer is contextually dependent, just like toxicity, especially when you consider what they are. Are you afraid of your geckos getting trace amounts of common mineral salts? You might want to throw out your mineral supplements, then, too.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Heather, I ask myself if we're reading the same post. I know what I'm understanding, and I also know that I'm not "reading way too much into" it. This is most definitely my FINAL post in this thread. Sorry, Lena!

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Awwww, Come on, folks!!! Let's all just relax and share informationinstead of personal attacks and arguments. OK?

Now, I personally would not use Perlite that contains fertilizer, just like I wouldn't use peat moss in my humid hides/lay boxes with any chemical additives.

 

[KelliH]

I agree with Marcia on this one. Everyone take a chill pill and move on.

 

[Lena]

Woww. I didn't notice my thread blowing up!

I chose to use plain, natural perlite instead. Whether or not the plant food in the miracle gro version is detrimental or not, I think I'll stick with the safe bet.

 

[cwazy]

it would seem to me that the LONG term effects IF ANY are UNKNOWN... i personally would not use it and would stick with the nuttin added stuff... you know it works why not stick with it? *shrug* to each there own... who knows... it may not have any effects at all...

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Whether or not the plant food in the miracle gro version is detrimental or not, I think I'll stick with the safe bet.

I would also stick with the 'safe' bet. I've learned that when little red flags go up in the back of my head, there probably a good reason for it. I'd just rather be 100% safe. JMHO.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Well if it grows bigger tomatoes, why not bigger geckos?

I am just kidding, of course! :main_laugh:

 

[Kristi23]

I accidentally used it last year and every one of the eggs died. Once I switched, most of my eggs hatched and I didn't do anything else differently.

 

[eric]

I think we've all decided that Miracle-Gro perlite should not be used. There is just too much to risk.

The primary ingredients in the Miracle-Gro powder are as follows:

• 5.8% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
• 9.2% Urea Nitrogen
• 30% Available Phosphate
• 15% Soluble Potash
• 0.02% Boron
• 0.07% Copper
• 0.15% Iron
• 0.05% Manganese
• 0.005% Molybdenum
• 0.06% Zinc

Derived from: Ureaform, Ammonium Phosphate, Urea Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Iron EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, and Zinc Sulfate.

I pulled up the MSDS sheet here you guys. Its the liquid form, which would better relate to in an incubator. http://www.scotts.ca/media/media/pd...Miracle-Gro® Liquid Houseplant Food 8-7-6.pdf

 

[Baoh]

Well, I'm reading off the back of the bag.

Total nitrogen (N) 0.04%
- 0.016% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
- 0.024% Nitrate Nitrogen

Available Phosphate (P2O5) 0.01%
Soluble Potash (K2O) 0.06%

Derived from ammonium nitrate, ammonium phosphate, calcium phosphate, and potassium sulfate.

 

[eric]

Thanks for bring that bit of info to my attention! I was reading from the powder MG, didn't realize there was a difference. I stand corrected.

Still not using it, emergency or not. You go ahead and use it, for me the risk is way to high and it should be for you as well!