Pathetic really....

[kyahbean]

When I said uncalled for, I said "IMO". This means "in my opinion". So therefore, it's not a "standard". It's simply my opinion.

I'm not looking to "get into an argument" with anyone, and especially not someone who insists on referring to themselves in the third person. I only was expressing my view that telling someone who is asking advice about how to feed their gecko isn't going to benefit from a someone telling them to off it.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I personally do not care what you think... I know what is best for my captive leo collection...
You know what I think stinks??? You keeping a leo alive that cant hunt or eat for itself...

Lol, you annoy me.


Just like you've been throwing yours around the entire thread, people have their own opinions.. so don't jump down someone's throat for something they believe in, or something they're doing. your whole "cull out weaker genetics" logic is flawed on several levels, and this has already been discussed.

 

[Gregg M]

Counting to 10...

Emily,
Just by your last reply it looks as if you need to have the last word so you can have that if you want...

Kyle,
The clear attempt to stir things up again with your statement was quite childish...
Please try not to bait an argument with me from now on please... Thanks

 

[kyahbean]

Emily,
Just by your last reply it looks as if you need to have the last word so you can have that if you want...

Pot: "Hey kettle! You're black!"

 

[DexterMorgan]

Pot: "Hey kettle! You're black!"

Rofl, no kidding, right?

 

[LeapinLizards]

Lol Gregg...keep counting...

Knowing Gregg personally, I know him to be a VERY knowledgeable person. Whether others choose to see that, that is their choice. He may come off sounding harsh, but it's just brutal, straight honesty...the type that not a lot of people will come out and say. Him responding the way he did a bit ago was him holding back, TRUST ME on that

Although I am good friends with Gregg, it does not mean I always 100% agree with him. In this case, I do for the most part. I personally would not be keeping an animal that fails to thrive alive by hand feedings, unless ONLY for a pet, with NO chance of that animal making it's way into breedings. That is just my opinion of course, and others have theirs. If Misty wishes to hand feed her gecko that is her choice. I would definitely try other feeders though like Ken said. Mealworms tend to be an easy target as long as they see them as a prey item (my geckos tend to ignore them due to lack of movement). Good luck in whatever you choose Misty.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Ok guys let's try to get this back on topic. So please let's keep this a nice drama free place.

Incessant harassment of GeckoForums.net members (aka trolling) is against the T.O.S. of this website.

 

[Foreverandever]

Is it just me or does it seem that everyone fails to realize shes aready said a few times that she has NO plans on breeding it? So I dont see why there has to be an argument.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I think everyone needs to calm down and just step away from the computer for a little while when things get 'heated' up like this.

Here is my opinion, although many of you will not agree with it. In nature, severely weak, blind, or deformed animals would not survive. Quite frankly, most of them probably do not even make it out of the egg. This is Mother Nature's way of natural 'culling', to prevent undesirable genetics to be passed on in the species. It is survival of the fittest. I personally feel that if an animal could not otherwise survive on it's own, it should be culled. Culling can mean euthanizing the animal, or simply removing it from any breeding project, depending on the nature of the problem.

I think if someone wants to hand-feed a gecko for it's entire life, then that is a personal choice and committment. I have a Super Snow female that I love dearly who will not eat unless I hand feed her superworms. This is my own choice and I am happy to do it... I wouldn't dream of putting her down, and but I will never allow her to reproduce. Now, if ALL of my geckos needed this in order to survive, that would be a different story!

We are not talking about human being here. We are talking about animals on a lower life-form than even dogs and cats. If a lizard cannot otherwise survive on it's own, it should be culled. (Once again, this doesn't always mean killing the animal!) We can never be 100% sure if a deformity or weakness is inherent or if it's congenital, and genetic faults should NOT be allowed to perpetuate into the general population if it means the animal would not otherwise survive, or would have no quality of life.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Is it just me or does it seem that everyone fails to realize shes aready said a few times that she has NO plans on breeding it?

That's my, and some others point actually. She's not breeding it, or intending to.

But, to each his own I guess..

 

[mystikal222]

Also, what are the lighting conditions when you feed him? Do you have lights on?

Usualy the lamp in our living room is on,which is where the tank is.

 

[mystikal222]

Alright,thanks everyone for their suggestions,though i have seen Raven do some pretty decent hunting lately so I guess for now its fine anyways. I didnt mean for this to go all "oh-no-you-didnt". Gregg,I do value your opinion on these matters as you seem to have a good deal of knowledge to back you up, but you may want to work on being a little more....tactful.Just because you believe something to be true doesnt mean that it needs to be stated. Or perhaps it might just be stated with a little less bite,as some of us are rather sensitive on certain subjects,especialy a newbie like me.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Heh, or animal loving people in general, being an active member of Peta, I put animals over people.

but it's good to hear that Raven is doing much better.

 

[kyahbean]

Usualy the lamp in our living room is on,which is where the tank is.

You might want to try darker conditions. I know that Puzzle won't come out and hunt if other lights in the room are on. I have a moonlight bulb that gives a soft blue light he doesn't seem to mind that is made for night viewing. Geckos are nocturnal, and their instinct is to hunt when it is dark, and the light could definitely be throwing him off.

 

[Gregg M]

Geckos are nocturnal, and their instinct is to hunt when it is dark, and the light could definitely be throwing him off.

Acually just because a reptile is nocturnal this does not mean they will not accept prey during the day... In the wild meals are never turned down even during the day lit hours by any nocturnal reptile... Infact there have been numerous feild studies on this exact topic...

Nocturnal reptiles see just as good in the light as they do in the night... Their eyes are designed so the iris expands wider to allow more light to enter and hit the retina... During the lighed ours of the day the iris contracts to restrict light entering the inner eye allowing them to see just fine during the day without getting "thrown off"... So the theory that light can be "throwing it off" is not only false, but also founded on incorrect info and the misunderstanding of the word nocturnal when applied to reptiles...

Misty, I am working on being more tactful... I never implied you should off your pet... What I was getting at is if all breeders were responsible, there would be far less weak unfit animals on the market... No one wants to see the ugly side of reptile breeding... Trust me, I wish everything hatched out strong and fit to thrive... This is not the reality of breeding any animal... In the wild, nature culls week genetics and the same should be done when propagating animals in captivity...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Never thought of it like that. To me, some geckos are just poor hunters. I really do not think it has anything to do with the animal being weak genetically. Could it be? Sure, but that`s not something I would start euthanizing geckos over. :main_huh: Marcia is right, just removing them from breeding would be sufficient, if that is the case. I do not like the word "culling" myself, as it makes me think of the other option.

But here is the thing: Leos do not have great eyesight to begin with, throw a little more light than normal into the equation(because they are nocturnal), and you have a nearly blind gecko.:main_yes:

 

[Gregg M]

But here is the thing: Leos do not have great eyesight to begin with, throw a little more light than normal into the equation(because they are nocturnal), and you have a nearly blind gecko.:main_yes:

Actually, studies on living geckos and disection of gecko eyes show that their eyesight is comparable to that of felines... In fact it is also proven that geckos including Eublipharidae, have the best eye sight of any other species of lizard...

Dan, where are you getting your info from... Seriously man, for an animal that actively hunts for a living using sight, it would be counter productive to "not have great eyesight to begin with".....:main_no:

 

[clear]

being an active member of Peta

Sorry but this is highly frowned upon in the real world, I wouldnt go around announcing that.

Groovygeckos.com did you just skip over gregg's comment about nocturnal? If not and you dont believe it a simple search will show you almost the same information that gregg said.

 

[earls413]

Misty,
When I purchased my gecko the lady at the pet store told me I would probaly never see him eat or drink because their nocturnal and prefer to eat in the dark. Luckily she was wrong and I get to see Leonard eat and drink everyday it's the highlight of my day he's hilarious. I would try to leave his food in the cage over night and check in the morning to see if he's eaten, he may just be shy. And I know its not my place to do this but I'm sorry you had such harsh reactions to a such a simple question. This site has been a great deal of help for me, I hope you don't give up on it due to remarks from a few. I truly believe most mean well. That's my two cents.

 

[Foreverandever]

OK SERIOUSLY NOW PEOPLE!!!! Theres not really any reason to go picking on someone because they support a flippin group! Jeez grow up! If he supports PETA good for him...to each his own. This thread has just turned into an excuse for ppl to get nasty now:main_rolleyes: