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[Kristi23]

Ugh Surinamensis, I read the first paragraph and couldn't go on. Your advice is always very interesting, passionate, and eye-opening, though often over the top and even inappropriate at times. Isn't that hypocritical of you? People will quit putting up posts for fear of your attempts to bring hardcore enlightenment to everything they say. What is it about you that makes you feel like you need to go to such lengths to do this? And on a gecko forum nonetheless?

Well yes I admit it probably is rude to mention finances. I honestly did not think of how that statement would look, I apologize to anyone who felt offended by it. But some people talk freely about being broke on here, so why can't I mention that I have a little money? I'm by no mean rich (especially with the gass prices now!). I was simply trying to tell this kid that I understand that he has limitted means right now is all, though I probably didn't come across the way I wanted to. Yes, ideally, people should have money "set aside" to care for pets, even kids should, but it just doesn't always happen that way.

So isn't it equally as rude to go on a big psychobabbling tirade on here to show off your superb intelligence and knowledge? About things that turn out to have little to do with the subject at hand? I'm sure you'll probably give me some reason why it's not rude and go off on another tangent.

Anyways, Stimpy: I went back and read some more of your posts. I want to back up what a lot of the people told you: You should wait to breed geckos until you're a little older. I'm sure you'll be a great leopard gecko breeder someday! Just don't do it right now, it'd be very irrensponsible! That's all. Good luck with your gecko, I hope you can get him to the vet soon.

I thought the post was written well without being rude. Finances have everything to do with this thread.

 

[M_surinamensis]

Ugh Surinamensis, I read the first paragraph and couldn't go on.

Maybe you should read and comprehend the entire post before going out of your way to be personally offended.

I, on the other hand, am off to go watch that Pulp Fiction clip again. On a loop. It's cathartic.

 

[TranceZ]

Went to petco yesterday just to get some mealies, they had a ton of baby leos couple were blizzard babies.

 

[Thorgecko707]

When I came to this forum I knew enough about leos to have the same colony for five years. I learned quick that Seamus will attack ignorance with a page of insults and "big words". That didn't bring me down. Rather, it made me read more so I wouldn't sound like a fool again. If anyone takes anything from this, I hope it's that Seamus wants us to be smarter. He wants to share his infinite knowledge with us. Yes, it may sound rude at time. But don't we all sound rude if we have to keep repeating ourselves? This is close to free education. The threads on this forum have enough information for you to REALLY know all about leopard geckos. +1 to Seamus.

 

[PaladinGirl]

Maybe you should read and comprehend the entire post before going out of your way to be personally offended.

I, on the other hand, am off to go watch that Pulp Fiction clip again. On a loop. It's cathartic.

Uhh..I wasn't personally offended actually. Not sure what in my post indicates that. So I guess you said it first. It must've been on your mind hehe. I don't take anything you say personally because I've seen you talk worse to other people. Swear words would give your posts a little extra punch, but thankfully we can't use them here! You in particular don't need them.

I partly agree with Thorgecko. I actually try to watch what I type and how I type it to see if Surinamensis has anything to say about it! I'm always curious what posts people put up will get a response from him. Though I don't know if I agree that he "wants" us to be smarter. Maybe. At the very least, he unintentionally achieves this goal. I think it's partly that he wants people to praise him and make him feel like awesome sauce. I could think of several pyschological reasons for that, but this is a gecko forum.

Enjoy your Pulp Fiction Surinamensis....are you watching it with your geckos? Do you even have geckos? You never talk about them. What are their names? And don't tell me they don't watch TV! I want to pretend they do!

 

[fl_orchidslave]

We come to this forum to seek and share information. It can be a double edged sword. The similar opinions, based on experience, carries more merit than that of a post of the wall advice.

Personal responsibility and financial responsibility go hand in hand in this thread. There is no magic cough syrup that is going to cure this gecko of all its ailments. It is now too late to return the unhealthy animal to the pet store. Parental responsibility could have maturely discussed matters with the store manager, but it would have been up to personal responsibility of the OP to bring the situation to their attention so they could act within a short time (end of warranty).

Moving on to financial responsibility.... this is why insurance companies have skyrocketing rates for teenage drivers. They are inexperienced and often irresponsible in their decision making process. If not for the ticket, would the OP be financially responsible and take the gecko to a qualified herp vet? We don't really know for sure.

In the case of keeping reptiles, sincere teenagers will and DO seek and FOLLOW the advice of experienced keepers, without bouncing back with attitude (showing irresponsible behavior). We see this all the time at our herp society meetings and at shows. We talk to a lot of kids, and it's obvious which ones are sincere in the care of their animals. They ask a lot of questions and listen intently. When mistakes are made, they want to learn how to avoid this in the future. They don't cop an attitude and start whining.

Money is the universal exchange for goods and services around the world. A person is either prepared, or not. If I had to go and spend $300 on a new vet bill right now, I am not prepared. Fortunately, I have a lot of experience in rehab and a good vet that I can call (also email, send photos), as well as medications on hand, so in that sense I am prepared. I am always on the look-out for new knowledge to prepare for unknowns in the future.

Getting a few geckos and jumping into breeding is not showing any kind of financial or personal responsibility. First, learn the species and potential issues. Second, learn about reproductive cycles and potential breeding programs. Neither has been done with this flippant OP.

Fortunately, there are a number of great teenagers on this forum

 

[Coby78]

Uhh..I wasn't personally offended actually. Not sure what in my post indicates that. So I guess you said it first. It must've been on your mind hehe. I don't take anything you say personally because I've seen you talk worse to other people. Swear words would give your posts a little extra punch, but thankfully we can't use them here! You in particular don't need them.

I partly agree with Thorgecko. I actually try to watch what I type and how I type it to see if Surinamensis has anything to say about it! I'm always curious what posts people put up will get a response from him. Though I don't know if I agree that he "wants" us to be smarter. Maybe. At the very least, he unintentionally achieves this goal. I think it's partly that he wants people to praise him and make him feel like awesome sauce. I could think of several pyschological reasons for that, but this is a gecko forum.

Enjoy your Pulp Fiction Surinamensis....are you watching it with your geckos? Do you even have geckos? You never talk about them. What are their names? And don't tell me they don't watch TV! I want to pretend they do!

I think his attitude is rational considering the ignorance sometimes found when people's pets aren't taken care of properly. If you find all of his posts, they are mostly in threads with people asking help for their geckos and refusing to take them immediately to the vet when needed. I definitely understand his frustration in those times to get his point across and have the person actually listen to the information and suggestions he's giving them. But his post to you, in my neutral view, didn't seem attacking in anyway.

That being said, I understand when younger teenagers and kids want pets but can't afford them. Luckily when I grew up with a bunch of animals, my parents brought them to the vet for me when needed, and I did not have many of them get to the point of needing a vet.

But I do think that for people who's parents are financially unstable or just don't care, that they talk to them beforehand and work out something they can do in those times. Depending on how old you might be, you can work something out with housework or other things to make up the money of the vet visit.

It's definitely a lot easier to own a pet, though, when you have your own job and I'd recommend anyone with tough parents to wait until then.

 

[PaladinGirl]

I think his attitude is rational considering the ignorance sometimes found when people's pets aren't taken care of properly. If you find all of his posts, they are mostly in threads with people asking help for their geckos and refusing to take them immediately to the vet when needed. I definitely understand his frustration in those times to get his point across and have the person actually listen to the information and suggestions he's giving them. But his post to you, in my neutral view, didn't seem attacking in anyway.

That being said, I understand when younger teenagers and kids want pets but can't afford them. Luckily when I grew up with a bunch of animals, my parents brought them to the vet for me when needed, and I did not have many of them get to the point of needing a vet.

But I do think that for people who's parents are financially unstable or just don't care, that they talk to them beforehand and work out something they can do in those times. Depending on how old you might be, you can work something out with housework or other things to make up the money of the vet visit.

It's definitely a lot easier to own a pet, though, when you have your own job and I'd recommend anyone with tough parents to wait until then.

I didn't say his attitude was attacking per se. Just....over the top. I think he could get his point across just fine without being quite so....over the top. That's all. Newer people to the forum might be a little taken aback and insulted (which I was..at first), maybe even go to a different gecko forum, or not get the help they need, even if it is just to tell them, ultimately, that they need to grow up and listen to the given advice.

I think you're on to something about responsibility and parental finances. I don't know why I didn't think about it right at first, but the parents have a big role in the responsibility of the pet's needs when the caretaker is a kid. This is definitely a big problem in pet ownership for sure. People are always being told by various organizations to spay/neuter their dogs and cats because so many of them are unwanted, and end up being euthanized. Too bad there wasn't a way to also highly stress the importance of taking the responsibility for your children's pets. Either take care good care of the pet for the kid when they won't/can't, or find it another home before it suffers. Heck, I've done it before myself! When my daughter was an infant, we gave our Russian tortoise to someone who could give him more attention.

When I was a freshman in college, I had newts that I loved. My favorite one got sick with that bloating disease. I was frantic. I even took him to the vet..lol. I think I used a little of my financial aid money for college to pay the bill. It was maybe a bad idea to have pets being a broke college kid, but I found the means. All pet owners who really care (and it goes without saying that they all should reallycare) should do as much as they possibly can to provide the best care.

 

[Stimpy]

The vet appointment is at 9:40 am on friday. Dunno how to pay for it... but its going. And for those of you who said that i dont know how to care for my geckos i do. Probably just as good as you.

 

[im faster]

After all these posts.. you are still going to be this cocky?

you realize people have on here have been breeding geckos longer than you have been alive.

 

[Stimpy]

We come to this forum to seek and share information. It can be a double edged sword. The similar opinions, based on experience, carries more merit than that of a post of the wall advice.

Personal responsibility and financial responsibility go hand in hand in this thread. There is no magic cough syrup that is going to cure this gecko of all its ailments. It is now too late to return the unhealthy animal to the pet store. Parental responsibility could have maturely discussed matters with the store manager, but it would have been up to personal responsibility of the OP to bring the situation to their attention so they could act within a short time (end of warranty).

Moving on to financial responsibility.... this is why insurance companies have skyrocketing rates for teenage drivers. They are inexperienced and often irresponsible in their decision making process. If not for the ticket, would the OP be financially responsible and take the gecko to a qualified herp vet? We don't really know for sure.

In the case of keeping reptiles, sincere teenagers will and DO seek and FOLLOW the advice of experienced keepers, without bouncing back with attitude (showing irresponsible behavior). We see this all the time at our herp society meetings and at shows. We talk to a lot of kids, and it's obvious which ones are sincere in the care of their animals. They ask a lot of questions and listen intently. When mistakes are made, they want to learn how to avoid this in the future. They don't cop an attitude and start whining.

Money is the universal exchange for goods and services around the world. A person is either prepared, or not. If I had to go and spend $300 on a new vet bill right now, I am not prepared. Fortunately, I have a lot of experience in rehab and a good vet that I can call (also email, send photos), as well as medications on hand, so in that sense I am prepared. I am always on the look-out for new knowledge to prepare for unknowns in the future.

Getting a few geckos and jumping into breeding is not showing any kind of financial or personal responsibility. First, learn the species and potential issues. Second, learn about reproductive cycles and potential breeding programs. Neither has been done with this flippant OP.

Fortunately, there are a number of great teenagers on this forum

I still dont get why you think im going to be breeding them right now. They arent even mature enough to breed. I just bought them a month ago.

 

[Stimpy]

After all these posts.. you are still going to be this cocky?

you realize people have on here have been breeding geckos longer than you have been alive.

yes, i stick by my own thoughts/opinions... and i have gotten these thoughts/opinions from these people who have been breeding geckos longer than ive been alive... obviously being a snobby know it all gets you far in this world. Just look at you guys :main_thumbsup: with that im outa here... this forum is for tools

 

[im faster]

You've said this before. but still you come back.

 

[Stimpy]

You've said this before. but still you come back.

to let you know that the well being of my geckos was taken care of

 

[Thorgecko707]

Don't go stimpy. Don't go.


..... Stimpy come back. Come back stimpy. Don't go. Don't go stimpy.

 

[Dog Shrink]

This thread and the hundred like it are just further proof that kids under 18 shouldn't "own" pets as they can NOT legally and financially be responsible for their care. It should, by law, fall on the parents to financially support their kids pets until the child is either legally of age (18) to take FULL responsibility themselves, or emancipated prior to 18. Since that isn't possible then ignorent parents should stop buying ther kids pets until the kid can afford them on their own. I don't expect my 6 year old to pay for his dog's food or vet bills, or for his rabbits care, or my 15 year old to pay for his snake's care or upkeep... that's MY job, as I knew it would be, until they were 18. If parents aren't prepared or willing to kick in to help their kids afford their pets then guess what... DON'T BUY THEM PETS! Pets AREN'T disposable replaceable creatures so OH if this one dies, mommy and daddy will just get me another shouldn't be a sentence in our kids vocabulary. Parental responsibility doesn't end at the mom and dad gave me permission to get a (insert pet of choice here)...

Sorry just my 2 cents...

As far as the leo goes... this could just be a regular GI function, regulating itself now that all the sand is out of his system and he is actually finally pushing food thru (obviously food is easier to digest and pass than a bunch of sand would be). Doing a fecal would be prudent, but if the leo is still eating well and has a bit of runny butt, then personally I would give it a few days to see if the stool firms up with proper diet and husbandry.

 

[Tony C]

I don't think it is fair to paint all kids with such a broad brush, we have several very knowledgeable and responsible teenage breeders here. I bought my first pair of red eyed tree frogs when I was in the sixth grade and they were with me until my senior year in high school...

 

[im faster]

exactly

 

[PaladinGirl]

I don't think it is fair to paint all kids with such a broad brush, we have several very knowledgeable and responsible teenage breeders here. I bought my first pair of red eyed tree frogs when I was in the sixth grade and they were with me until my senior year in high school...

Wow, that is very admirable. You're right though, there are kids out there who are very responsible pet owners, probably more so than a lot of adult owners. In the end, age really shouldn't be a determining factor.

 

[PaladinGirl]

To hell with being polite (a shocking statement coming from me, I know) by not discussing money. It is something people should be encouraged to think about, ideally before they buy a new pet. It is something they should feel comfortable discussing the budgeting options for, in talking to others about ways to save (hardware stores often have some enclosure fixtures at a greatly reduced price relative to pet stores) and costs which should not be skimped on (find a good vet, discuss pricing with that vet, set aside money for routine and emergency care before even buying the animal). We should be comfortable asking and answering these kinds of questions, having this kind of discussion... no matter how crass and vulgar it may have been for the upper class Victorians to discuss money.

Haha I kind of feel like an ass now. Like he said after my response to this post, I should've read more. Which I did just now. It's just that it took him so long to get to the point that I thought he was trying to correct behavior that he viewed as uncouth. Now I'm not so sure he was trying to do that. Wish this paragraph would've been right under the first! I apologize M_surinamensis..But I still stand by most of the stuff I said Heh, you probably read my response to that post and went *facepalm*.

And I want to know about your geckos!!!! I've never seen you talk about them and I'm just curious.

I'm also curious to know whether or not Stimpy will come back and tell us how his gecko's vet visit went. Maybe he can do it without being so cocky.