Projects? Snow, tang, aptor, diablo blanco...

[maggiee22195]

Well honey, Keep studying your morphology... You need to know these things before you produce babies darlin. Do you know what your leos are het for? Like for example my Eros is a bold mack snow het bell het patternless...

They aren't het for anything... that is why I didn't think the babies would be het.

 

[Dog Shrink]

Are you sure??? Isn't that kind of unusual pros???

 

[maggiee22195]

I am sure. My jungle albino male is not het for anything. And The same breeder didnt tell me that the super snow tremper albino is het for anything.
Therefore they wouldn't be het babies....

 

[fl_orchidslave]

I was looking more for the technical part of it like what the het would be etc. Show me how you would list it if it were for sale. This is only a test... if this were a real emergency you would receive instructions on what to do next ... ... sorry, in a bit of a mood.

I knew there was going to be a mood!! :main_cool3: checking my notes

 

[Reborn]

Actually you'd get mack snow trempers. No hets. No tremper jungles. No chance of mack snows solo. there are chances some of the babies MAYBE jungle but not all. All will be mack snow trempers. Since the snow is a dominate trait and both are trempers. Make sense? Now if it were a super snow HET tremper you could get them other ones possibly

 

[Dog Shrink]

I knew there was going to be a mood!! :main_cool3: checking my notes

Psh :main_rolleyes: you check your notes... did you bother to check the pix???

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Well crap, you snuck the photo on while I was sifting worms. I'm easily distracted haha. So I just looked and posted over there

 

[Jordan]

Are you sure??? Isn't that kind of unusual pros???

Well kinda, but theres no need to assume every gecko has hets, and if it does have hets then the breeder she got it from musnt have even known

 

[Dog Shrink]

Well wouldn't assuming that every gecko is bred pure and true be a little illogical and a broader assumption imo? Also shouldn't any "Breeder" make it a point to disclose possible/known hets when selling the baby? And how could any ethical breeder not know what potential their breeding stock has? There has to be a Het somewhere in this breeding trio.

 

[Reborn]

It's very odd yes but not unheard of. of my 19 only 4 are het anything the others are pure. Mine came from good breeders so i do trust them. its not completely odd, just a matter of looking around and finding that specail one. Definatly tho if a breeder doesnt know his own animals genetics he shouldnt be breeding. Since you deal with rabbits i guess a good example would be crossing a dwarf with a smaller mini lop and passing the one baby off with straight ears over the others with floppy as a pure dwarf. Thats why were helping maggie out here lol so she can learn more and more.

As with the diablo you'd gotta be careful, since it be het diablo means itll be het, blizzard, eclipse, tremper, and patternless. That means there are chances of the babies comin out that and means almost all them will be het 2-3 things maybe even 4. I'd avoid it completely juts a headache. If ones is a pure Diablo and the others a het the chances are better but still headache rific@.@

 

[Jordan]

Well wouldn't assuming that every gecko is bred pure and true be a little illogical and a broader assumption imo? Also shouldn't any "Breeder" make it a point to disclose possible/known hets when selling the baby? And how could any ethical breeder not know what potential their breeding stock has? There has to be a Het somewhere in this breeding trio.

Yeh but if we're going to assume that its very rare for any geckos to be pure, then how would the breeder know its hets other than the ones from the breeding. if you get what i mean.
As in if i breed a normal that i think has no hets to a blizzard i get normals all het for blizzard. so id sell them as normals het blizzard. But as you say not many geckos are pure, but im not gonna sell it as a normal het for blizzard and Possibly het for everything else.
Just assume it has no other hets.

the original normal might have had hets that have passed on without me or the original breeder i got it from ever knowing.
Im making these geckos up for the example though lol.

 

[Dog Shrink]

It's very odd yes but not unheard of. of my 19 only 4 are het anything the others are pure...Thats why were helping maggie out here lol so she can learn more and more.

I can understand wanting to help her learn but spoonfeeding her the information insted of having her research it and the other subsequent discoverie she'd make along the way during that research are going to teach her a lot more imo. Just giving her the info she wants to possibly short cut the research in the long run teacher her nothing.

but im not gonna sell it as a normal het for blizzard and Possibly het for everything else.

no and that's taking what I said to a bit of an extreme but I hope you would sell it as a normal het blizzard since you KNOW that part of it's morphology. IMO a breeder should sell the animal with as much info as possible. IF it knew the parents were het for this or that but hasn't proven it out then it should be sold that way.

 

[Jordan]

no and that's taking what I said to a bit of an extreme but I hope you would sell it as a normal het blizzard since you KNOW that part of it's morphology. IMO a breeder should sell the animal with as much info as possible. IF it knew the parents were het for this or that but hasn't proven it out then it should be sold that way.

yeh okay it was a bit but my point is if we assume no gecko is pure then there is alot about every gecko that we dont know. So we only pass on the info we know, and Maggie was told no hets so no need to assume it has hets. unless she feels like breeding it to every recessive morph to test it haha

 

[Dog Shrink]

Given half the chance... she might

 

[maggiee22195]

So yeah, NONE of the geckos are het. for anything. I am getting from a good, trusted breeder also.
I am breeding my male jungle tremper albino to a female super snow tremper albino
And I am going to get a SHTCTB pair. I'm excited... hopefully will breed in January or Feb.

I have another question... is getting a sunglow gecko line bred?
If I bred a tangerine to a tremper albino what would that pair produce? Would that be tangerine trempers? Or tangelo? Or sunglow?
It gets kinda confusing.... Hahaha!

 

[T-ReXx]

Get the book "The Herpetoculture of Leopard Geckos" by Ron Tremper. It's a good solid introduction into leopard gecko genetics and breeding. Some of the morphs are outdated but it's a book that anyone considering breeding leopard geckos should own, imo.

You need to develop a solid understanding of genetics before you start breeding. Do some more research.

 

[maggiee22195]

Get the book "The Herpetoculture of Leopard Geckos" by Ron Tremper. It's a good solid introduction into leopard gecko genetics and breeding. Some of the morphs are outdated but it's a book that anyone considering breeding leopard geckos should own, imo.

You need to develop a solid understanding of genetics before you start breeding. Do some more research.

I have the book but I am still a little confused. I just don't know how to 'create' the sunglow morph.

 

[maggiee22195]

Oh, Never mind. I just found it! I know that if I breed a SHTCTB or a SHTCT to a tremper albino I will get some bright geckos... and if I continue to line breed, I will get some nice looking sunglows.
Are you sure if I breed a Jungle tremper albino to a super snow tremper albino I wont get at least any just tremper albinos?

 

[T-ReXx]

Sunglow is genetically the combination of the Tremper Albino gene and the genes for Super Hypo, Tangerine, Carrottail and Baldy. It is a polygenic gene sequence combined with a simple recessive gene. Tremper albino X SHTCTB is not going to produce sunglows, it's going to produce geckos with some amount of hypo, tangerine, carrot tail and baldy influence that are 100% het for tremper albino. If you want to create sunglows, buy a sunglow and breed it to SHTCTBs het tremper, or tremper tangerines, etc. It takes several generations of breeding (at least 4-6) to get anything that even could be close to being called a sunglow starting from scratch with a SHTCTB and a tremper albino.

"tangelos" etc are all lines of SHTCTB tremper albinos named by the originator of the line. The original "Sunglow" like was created through several years of line breeding by Craig Stuart, of the Urban Gecko.

 

[T-ReXx]

Oh, Never mind. I just found it! I know that if I breed a SHTCTB or a SHTCT to a tremper albino I will get some bright geckos... and if I continue to line breed, I will get some nice looking sunglows.
Are you sure if I breed a Jungle tremper albino to a super snow tremper albino I wont get at least any just tremper albinos?

Pretty much.

Again, you need to learn more about how genetics work. Super Snow is the homozygous form of the Codominant Snow morph. Anything you breed a super snow to is going to produce ALL snows. Bred to another super snow, you get all super snows. Bred to a snow, you get 50% super snows, 50% mack snows. Bred to a non-snow, you get 100% mack snow. Since both geckos from the pairing you mentioned are homozygous simple recessive for tremper albino, everything will also be tremper albino. So, that pairing will yield all mack snow tremper albinos, with varying amounts of jungle influence.