Projects? Snow, tang, aptor, diablo blanco...

[Dog Shrink]

You're missing Ted's point hon... he's saying breed the best of the best to get what you want. don't breed 2 sub-par animals together in hopes that your miracle baby will pop up in the fold somewhere and flood the market with all the subsequent average babies.

This part here "I don't care what your reasoning is behind breeding, anyone who takes a male and a female leopard gecko and puts them together has a responsibility to make every effort to produce the highest quality animal possible when choosing their startup stock. I may have a sunglow male, and 10 sunglow females, but you can bet I'm only going to breed that male to the best females out of that group. Why? Because as a responsible breeder, it's necessary that one pair only the highest quality animals,"

 

[Jordan]

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting to produce a morph rather than purchase it outright. What I'm saying is that when doing so you should buy animals that give you the highest possible chance of producing that goal without producing many animals that are outside of it.

THAT i very much agree with so i think we both misunderstood each other...

 

[maggiee22195]

You're missing Ted's point hon... he's saying breed the best of the best to get what you want. don't breed 2 sub-par animals together in hopes that your miracle baby will pop up in the fold somewhere and flood the market with all the subsequent average babies.

This part here "I don't care what your reasoning is behind breeding, anyone who takes a male and a female leopard gecko and puts them together has a responsibility to make every effort to produce the highest quality animal possible when choosing their startup stock. I may have a sunglow male, and 10 sunglow females, but you can bet I'm only going to breed that male to the best females out of that group. Why? Because as a responsible breeder, it's necessary that one pair only the highest quality animals,"

Yes, I said that I understood that... That is why I have said about 3 or 5 times now, I am getting really nice, and pretty, and healthy animals. And I am only getting 2 or 3 of them for that reason. I never said these animals are sub-par. I am getting some high quality geckos.

 

[Jordan]

You're missing Ted's point hon... he's saying breed the best of the best to get what you want. don't breed 2 sub-par animals together in hopes that your miracle baby will pop up in the fold somewhere and flood the market with all the subsequent average babies.

This part here "I don't care what your reasoning is behind breeding, anyone who takes a male and a female leopard gecko and puts them together has a responsibility to make every effort to produce the highest quality animal possible when choosing their startup stock. I may have a sunglow male, and 10 sunglow females, but you can bet I'm only going to breed that male to the best females out of that group. Why? Because as a responsible breeder, it's necessary that one pair only the highest quality animals,"

was this to me or Maggie?

If its to me i dont mean putting two sub par animals together. Im all for breeding for highest quality. Less genetics in an animal doesnt mean it is sub par. (well it can sometimes, not many people are bothered about trempers anymore really) but i mean pearing a good quality mack enigma het raptor to a good quality raptor and getting a good quality dreamsicle, is better than just buying a good quality dreamsicle.
Im not talking about sub par animals at all.

Anyway i think it was misunderstood.

 

[T-ReXx]

I think you guys kinda blew this way out of proportion... I am only going to have 2 females... I don't know how that will be 140+ babies... I am only going to have 4 leopard geckos right now. And I am getting really good ones too. You guys keep going on even after I said that I am going to just get a SHTCTB pair and a super snow tremper albino.... I know what I am going to get... and I am only going to have 2 females... so I'm a little confused about how I will have 140+ babies... and how that will be flooding the market... because I am selling to 'pet' homes. I have experienced herper friends who want some, and I have family who want one or two... so, I am still sonfused.

Ok, I'm going to use this as an example of the levels of responsibility when producing a species like leopard geckos. Don't take this personally Maggie, I'm just using you as an example of a person who is just getting into the breeding game.

One person decides they want to produce leopard geckos. They buy one male and two females. Those three animals produce 40 offspring their first year. Let's say you keep oh, 5 and sell the rest. So those 35 animals go into the population and let's say 50% of them are female. So 17 females go to new homes. There is NO WAY to ensure that offspring you produce are never bred. In fact, most will be, because let's face it, most people who keep leopard geckos eventually attempt to breed them, or get rid of their animals and they go on to other owners who breed them. These 17 females produce 340 offspring in their second year of age. That's 340 more animals added to the population. Now, those 340 animals can be high quality, spectacular examples of their respective morphs if the original breeder made the effort to start with high quality stock, or they could just as easily be 340 normals or tremper albinos, or whatever with some no real knowledge of their true genetic history. It goes from there.

Now, none of that even takes into effect if the original breeder continues to produce animals in their subsequent years.

I'm not knocking anyone who wants to become a breeder, on any scale. What I want to get across is that it's every single person who breed's leopard gecko's responsibility to do their part to ensure that only the highest quality animals are brought into this world. Unless you plan on keeping every single animal you produce, you have no way of knowing what sort of effect those animals are having on the population. Do you have 40 people who want to buy leopard geckos from you? Can you comfortably house and care for 40+ leopard geckos for the rest of their natural lives? These are the questions and numbers that are the terms people need to think in.

These are living things. They are not models, they are not collectors stamps. And there are already several hundred thousand of them in existence in the US alone. Supply severely outweighs the demand. And every single baby that hatches out is one more animal that needs a permanent home. They are not dogs and cats. They are not spayed or neutered to ensure that animals that are subpar cannot be bred. So, when breeding this species, you need to assume that every single animal that you produce will produce offspring of it's own at some point. And act accordingly.

 

[maggiee22195]

Ok, I'm going to use this as an example of the levels of responsibility when producing a species like leopard geckos. Don't take this personally Maggie, I'm just using you as an example of a person who is just getting into the breeding game.

One person decides they want to produce leopard geckos. They buy one male and two females. Those three animals produce 40 offspring their first year. Let's say you keep oh, 5 and sell the rest. So those 35 animals go into the population and let's say 50% of them are female. So 17 females go to new homes. There is NO WAY to ensure that offspring you produce are never bred. In fact, most will be, because let's face it, most people who keep leopard geckos eventually attempt to breed them, or get rid of their animals and they go on to other owners who breed them. These 17 females produce 340 offspring in their second year of age. That's 340 more animals added to the population. Now, those 340 animals can be high quality, spectacular examples of their respective morphs if the original breeder made the effort to start with high quality stock, or they could just as easily be 340 normals or tremper albinos, or whatever with some no real knowledge of their true genetic history. It goes from there.

Now, none of that even takes into effect if the original breeder continues to produce animals in their subsequent years.

I'm not knocking anyone who wants to become a breeder, on any scale. What I want to get across is that it's every single person who breed's leopard gecko's responsibility to do their part to ensure that only the highest quality animals are brought into this world. Unless you plan on keeping every single animal you produce, you have no way of knowing what sort of effect those animals are having on the population. Do you have 40 people who want to buy leopard geckos from you? Can you comfortably house and care for 40+ leopard geckos for the rest of their natural lives? These are the questions and numbers that are the terms people need to think in.

These are living things. They are not models, they are not collectors stamps. And there are already several hundred thousand of them in existence in the US alone. Supply severely outweighs the demand. And every single baby that hatches out is one more animal that needs a permanent home. They are not dogs and cats. They are not spayed or neutered to ensure that animals that are subpar cannot be bred. So, when breeding this species, you need to assume that every single animal that you produce will produce offspring of it's own at some point. And act accordingly.

Ok. Thanks for the advice. I have a question... how many eggs will one female produce if only bred once during the breeding season?

 

[T-ReXx]

Up to 20. Usually somewhere between 10 and 18. But 20 is not uncommon.

 

[maggiee22195]

Up to 20. Usually somewhere between 10 and 18. But 20 is not uncommon.

Ok. Thanks! I thought I read only about 8 or 10 eggs...

 

[T-ReXx]

8-10 is common in first year females, but I have seen first years produce 20 fertiles before. My advice is to plan for the maximum amount, which is 20.

 

[maggiee22195]

8-10 is common in first year females, but I have seen first years produce 20 fertiles before. My advice is to plan for the maximum amount, which is 20.

Ok, thanks!!!