SS ECLIPSE or Normal SS?? You decide......

[snared99]

This is a hatchling from our SSraptor project and for fun i figured i would start my first poll with this baby. Basically do you think it is a Super Snow Eclipse, Super snow, Or no clue it looks cool....
The parents were Striped tremper snow het raptor X Snake eyed tremper snow het raptor.
I like how the front feet looks completely white and the hing feet are also pretty white, but this animal does have much white on its head. Any input is appreciated:main_thumbsup:

Disclaimer- THIS animal will be proved out either way before sales occur.

 

[supperl]

I heard white legs are an indicator for Eclipse gen. Does it has a whitish snout?

 

[snared99]

The snot has a tiny spot of white but nothing too large. But those legs are stark white, esp the front legs.

 

[supperl]

Hhhmm dunno every single Raptor I had this year had a damn white snot. Well ask the pro's I only have hatched Raptors here yet

 

[OhioGecko]

I believe the general consensus is that Super Snows need to be test breed to guarantee the Eclipse gene from the RAPTOR line. Without the test breeding everything is just speculation.

Very nice Leo :main_thumbsup:

 

[fallen_angel]

I don't understand, if both parents were tremper albino snows, shouldn't you get only tremper albino babies?

 

[snared99]

I believe the general consensus is that Super Snows need to be test breed to guarantee the Eclipse gene from the RAPTOR line. Without the test breeding everything is just speculation.

Very nice Leo :main_thumbsup:

Correct this is just a fun game. There really is NO way of telling a SSeclipse from a SS, or a SStremper from a SSraptor, unless you test breed them, which is in my disclaimer.

 

[snared99]

I don't understand, if both parents were tremper albino snows, shouldn't you get only tremper albino babies?

You are correct i just went and did a double take my self and the female was a mack het raptor not the snake eye tremper snow. I read the wrong bin...lol

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

well no you shouldn't get only Tablino babies. you have the snow gene that also carries a normal gene as well. so you can get a range of babies from that cross. most to to be MSTA but there will be a range from normal with double hets to SSTA RAPTOR

 

[SaSobek]

IMO
I dont think the gecko in question is a super eclipse (aka total eclipse)

from what we have hatched of the super eclipse (aka total eclipse). we have found that they have almost all white legs (for some reason) more white on the nose and usualy the "eclipse spot" on the top of the head. makeing it appered pied.
head shot super eclipse (aka total eclipse)


all white legs super eclipse (aka total eclipse)




first ever super eclipse (aka total eclipse) last year when it stated getting spots.


adult head shot


proven super Raptor head shot (this gecko was all white till it was bred and then got the super snow spots)


super eclipse (aka total eclipse) and super eclipse enigma (aka super black hole)



super eclipse (aka total eclipse) and super eclipse enigma (aka super black hole)


super eclipse enigma (aka super black hole) from Dreamsickle (mack raptor enigma) X Mack Eclipse not realy that cool looking but looks different in a way its more gray then black. You cant realy see the white nose in the pic but you can see it more now. The "eclipse spot" you cant see because of no real dark pigment on the head



super eclipse enigma (aka super black hole) from Dreamsickle (mack raptor enigma) X Mack Eclipse

I believe the general consensus is that Super Snows need to be test breed to guarantee the Eclipse gene from the RAPTOR line. Without the test breeding everything is just speculation.

Very nice Leo :main_thumbsup:

this is not true, there are 3 ways to get super Raptor/eclipse

1 mack raptor X mack raptor
2 mack raptor X mack eclipse
3 mack eclipse X mack eclipse

1 out of 4 of any of them will give you you super Raptor/eclipse
if its a super it is a super raptor or a super eclipse. 100% for sure every time. with out test breeding.

 

[supperl]

Jess your brilliant I haven´t thought on this haha

Ryan What Jess wanted to say is if both parents are Tremper Albinos offspring whcih obviously is a SS without Albino gen can´t happen. due to the fact Albino*Albino=Albino

EDIT: Matt WOW send the mto Lotta maybe she knows I have birthday in April?

 

[snared99]

Jess your brilliant I haven´t thought on this haha

Ryan What Jess wanted to say is if both parents are Tremper Albinos offspring whcih obviously is a SS without Albino gen can´t happen. due to the fact Albino*Albino=Albino

EDIT: Matt WOW send the mto Lotta maybe she knows I have birthday in April?

This was already corrected in post #9. The female was a mack het raptor not homozygous tremper.

Ps- beautiful geckos matt. But how can you be sure with those 3 options without test breeding?? The only reason i ask is i know RAPTOR X RAPTOR doesnt always yeild 100% RAPTOR. Atleast not with my colonies...lol

 

[SaSobek]

But how can you be sure with those 3 options without test breeding?? The only reason i ask is i know RAPTOR X RAPTOR doesnt always yeild 100% RAPTOR. Atleast not with my colonies...lol

Ok this is going to realy mess with people but just because the eye dosent have red/black in it dosent mean its not a RAPTOR/eclipse. we have hatched out geckos from raptor X raptor and got geckos like you said with out having red in the eyes. when breeding the geckos with out the red/black in the eyes back to raptors/eclipse, they give you all raptors/eclipse. that is why this gean isnt like a simple resesive. it acts like it but its not alwasy showing. eye trait X eye trait = eye trait even if its not showing. and actualy solid eye to solid eye is when you see more of the no pigment in the eye more. snake eye to snake eye gives you usualy more solid eyes then solid eyes to solid eyes. (if that makes any sence?)

the geckos that we hatch from eye trait to eye trait that dont show the eye trait we dont sell as an eye trait gecko but we know it more then just the het for the eye trait it is actualy the eye trait gecko.

I believe a breeder in Texas calls them Abyssinian :main_thumbsup:

its like the white nose and the "eclipse spot" they can be the eye trait with out it, but if they have it its 100% that they are the eye trait.

its like not all eclipse have a white nose and the "eclipse spot"
but if they have the nose and the "eclipse spot" even if they dont show the eye trait they are the eye trait. Tested, Proven, and would bet money on it.

 

[snared99]

Thank you that clears up alot. Great explaination!

 

[SaSobek]

your super could be a super eclipse. but it would be one you would have to test. the ones that you know what they are are the ones with the more white on the nose and the "eclipse spot"

your super could be the "showing the eye trait, but not haveing the markers for the eye trait"

i should have said that the white nose and the "eclipse spot" are markers
every gecko with them is the eye trait. but not every eye trait has the markers. that is a better way of saying it.

 

[Gecko Euphoria]

I too like the feet I have a pairof supers that are Super snows from a TugX mack snow crossing that are almost totally black and that have those same feet going on I'm planning on selectively breeding them to see if theres something there to try and get a white sox super snow so to speek just like the Fat tail. But who knows what will happen But they are very cool. Cool hatchling!!!

This is a hatchling from our SSraptor project and for fun i figured i would start my first poll with this baby. Basically do you think it is a Super Snow Eclipse, Super snow, Or no clue it looks cool....
The parents were Striped tremper snow het raptor X Snake eyed tremper snow het raptor.
I like how the front feet looks completely white and the hing feet are also pretty white, but this animal does have much white on its head. Any input is appreciated:main_thumbsup:

Disclaimer- THIS animal will be proved out either way before sales occur.

 

[paulnj]

Pat, one things for sure... it's another animal to test breed. 2009, the year of the test breeding continues:main_laugh:

Doesn't look definitive, but I wish you luck in proving it to be one.

 

[Lecko my Gecko]

either way its cool looking!