Weird Morph What Morph are these
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Hi everybody
i have also speaked with Ron Tremper! I have send him the pics from the babies, and he said that these are Patternless Enigmas if the Combination
Db x Enigma het Bell is!
But im still can´t understand why the first one turns like a Blizzard?! You know, the tipical color of this Morph!?
And if this now PatternlessEnigmas, did they also be het DB and poss Bell ???
i have also speaked with Ron Tremper! I have send him the pics from the babies, and he said that these are Patternless Enigmas if the Combination
Db x Enigma het Bell is!
But im still can´t understand why the first one turns like a Blizzard?! You know, the tipical color of this Morph!?
And if this now PatternlessEnigmas, did they also be het DB and poss Bell ???
BSM
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To me this doesn't make sense if a db (albino blizzard eclipse) bred to a enigma het bell, how due you get patternless? I would think it would be reasonable if the enigma is unknown het for blizzard vs both being unknown hets for patternless.
If the dad was a ember (albino patternless eclipse) for example i would have no doubt that the babies are what some others are saying.
Bryan
those are typical characteristics of patternless. the reason why it has gotten light as it has aged is because of the enigma gene. also when patternless become adults they lose (for the most part) that pattern. if my eyes see correctly in the second photo the gecko has also gained some black little spots, thats another clue it is an enigma. it is more common to see blizzard born with no to little pattern than patternless.
I agree about that, robin. But when I said they all look the same I meant also my blizzard which I posted his picture, and as gazz said, some Blizzards have the same pattern along the spine as hatchlings which they loose quite fast.
And that's even before we're mentioning the odds to have both parents het for patty without knowing...
ofek, i have hatched quite a few blizzards and in that many hatchlings it would be unreal to hatch three (so far) with pattern. all the ones i hatched had no pattern just that normal blizzard look . but even blizzards with pattern and pattys, they both still look different as babies.
ok, yes I do believe you have a yellowish blizzard with a pattern at birth, but the original images are patternless due to the patterning being far too much.
Rarely a blizzard will hatch with a slight pattern and it's gone in my experience by 3-4 sheds at most. I hatch 2 looking like this from roughly 125-130 blizzards in 08
these are fresh from the egg and notice the tiny dots that only go partly down the back. That one was 66 het RW btw.
patternless have patterning farther down the body and I think atleast 1 is a definate enigma, the others could be(never hatched patty enigmas though, so can't say for sure on the other 2)
Rarely a blizzard will hatch with a slight pattern and it's gone in my experience by 3-4 sheds at most. I hatch 2 looking like this from roughly 125-130 blizzards in 08
these are fresh from the egg and notice the tiny dots that only go partly down the back. That one was 66 het RW btw.
patternless have patterning farther down the body and I think atleast 1 is a definate enigma, the others could be(never hatched patty enigmas though, so can't say for sure on the other 2)
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Good pic paul, and you can clearly see the difference between the blizzard spots and patty spots.+1 The OP geckos are deffinatly Murphy Patternless.
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Hi everyone i'm stunned and confused ! the babies look the same as ones i hatched a while ago from Tangerine Het Bells / Blizzard 50% Poss. Het Patternless. So i'm not sure if they are patternless or blizzard, they surely look blizzard to me. But who knows
i would realy like to learn too! But i dont can´t understand why this 3 hatchlings are pattern? I mean the first one i hatched, they turns to a Blizzrd!
And he has also the eyes of an Blizzard!?
Lets say the Enigma female is also het Blizzard AND pattern, is it possible that one of them is a Blizzard ( for my opinion the first one ) the second one a pattern Enigma and the third one a Enigma?
And he has also the eyes of an Blizzard!?
Lets say the Enigma female is also het Blizzard AND pattern, is it possible that one of them is a Blizzard ( for my opinion the first one ) the second one a pattern Enigma and the third one a Enigma?
The only 100% fool proof way to ID these are to test breed them to a blizzard, patternless or both?(if male) . We are only giving you our best educated guesses in reality 
You obviously have hidden traits that are not of the norm, so test breeding atleast the DB to a patternless is needed to prove whether it's het patternless or not. If you get a patternless from patty x DB you got you anser, but don't count it out if you don't hatch one (odds don't always work out in one's favor)
You obviously have hidden traits that are not of the norm, so test breeding atleast the DB to a patternless is needed to prove whether it's het patternless or not. If you get a patternless from patty x DB you got you anser, but don't count it out if you don't hatch one (odds don't always work out in one's favor)
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