What's the best sand to use?

[slayer]

I agree with Khrysty all the way on all points but am growing tired of this conversation. To each their own, do what you want and so will I. If you think having it live in an enclosure that is more like their natural habitat, fine.. but don't claim that the way you keep your geckos is any better than anyone else, it's only your opinion.

I prefer to have them kept on tile, period.

................... Not once did I state "My way is better" all i SHOWED was that housing on a natural substrate with out health issues for the long term is possible.

 

[Khrysty]

................... Not once did I state "My way is better" all i SHOWED was that housing on a natural substrate with out health issues for the long term is possible.

You showed that? Where? How?

 

[thestack510]

putting aesthetics before health is a poor choice.

:main_yes::main_thumbsup:

 

[slayer]

I would love to see your gecko that has lived for millions of years. :main_laugh: Your facts are askew.

..................... You know what i mean . The species as a whole DUH!!

"...in no way, shape , or form causes impactions or any other health problems..."

This sounds so rediculous to me. Impaction is definitely not a myth and you are misleading people by implying that impaction is a non issue. It is a fact that there is sand in Leo's natural habitat. It is also very likely that Leos live longer in captivity than they do in the wild, as do many animals. Why risk impaction when it is so easy to avoid the entire issue? You're going to do what you want and scoff at anyone else's opinions to the contrary. I hope your Leos don't pay the price in the long run.
[/QUOTE]........................I am not saying impaction is a myth im saying sand as THE CAUSE is the myth. Imapctions in reptiles are caused by cronic low level dehydration. Just like when your dehydrated you cant crap out anything you eat, a leo cant crap out anything when is dehydrated. The myth is sand is the cause when it is not. And dont worry, my leo will be fine do to the MUCH higher temps and humidity levels i provide then most keepers.

 

[fallen_angel]

................... Not once did I state "My way is better" all i SHOWED was that housing on a natural substrate with out health issues for the long term is possible.

Possible for two geckos, which doesn't mean much really, too small of a scale IMO.

 

[slayer]

You showed that? Where? How?

...................... On page 2 of this post I showed the setup of a 9 year old pair of leos that have never had a single health issue and that has always been housed in a naturalistic setup. As i said, "all i SHOWED was that housing on a natural substrate with out health issues for the long term is possible."

 

[slayer]

Possible for two geckos, which doesn't mean much really, too small of a scale IMO.

..........Still proves it can and is done when husbandry parameters are changed. It is also silly to think that mine are the two geckos housed in this manner. I know I didnt come up with it my self and that I am just repeating another success. This is a good debate.

 

[Khrysty]

...................... On page 2 of this post I showed the setup of a 9 year old pair of leos that have never had a single health issue and that has always been housed in a naturalistic setup. As i said, "all i SHOWED was that housing on a natural substrate with out health issues for the long term is possible."

Oh yeah, that's right. That WAS you.

Well then, perhaps congratulations are in order. Good job keeping two geckos alive for nine years on sand. If you can do it, everyone can and no one will have problems as long as they do it just like you! :main_thumbsup:

 

[Khrysty]

And I'm sorry, Lickin, for turning your thread into an argu-fest. I'll try and restrain myself from now on

 

[slayer]

Oh yeah, that's right. That WAS you.

Well then, perhaps congratulations are in order. Good job keeping two geckos alive for nine years on sand. If you can do it, everyone can and no one will have problems as long as they do it just like you! :main_thumbsup:

..................... The sarcassam of a child is surelly not in order. This is a very decent (on topic) debate so far and Im not sure why you feel the need to bring its maturity level down with such remarks. Ill tell you what I tell my high school age daughter, "Put your ego away and act like an adult" There is no need for anyone emotions to gt involved here.

p.s. Yes if I can do so can anyone else. Its not that hard if you change a few basic husbandry things.

 

[Khrysty]

..................... The sarcassam of a child is surelly not in order. This is a very decent deabate so far and Im not sure why you feel the need to bring its maturity level down with such remarks. Ill tell you what I tell my high school age daughter, "Put your ego away and act like an adult"

p.s. Yes if I can do so can anyone else. Its not that hard if you change a few basic things.

This really isn't an argument I wanted to get into.
Sticking to your guns, constantly repeating yourself, and not addressing counter points/arguments, or weaseling around them is not away to argue or prove anything.
Sarcastic, though it was, my last comment was meant to signal the end of the debate.
Your mind won't be changed, mine won't either.
Let's end it at that.

So again, congratulations on not killing your animals. I hope they live long, happy healthy lives.

 

[slayer]

So again, congratulations on not killing your animals. I hope they live long, happy healthy lives.

................ Why thank you Khrysty. They have already made half way through their expected life span problem free so im sure it will continue that way. By the way I sent you a p.m.

 

[Khrysty]

................ Why thank you Khrysty. They have already made half way through their expected life span problem free so im sure it will continue that way. By the way I sent you a p.m.

Got it. And again, no worries, mate

 

[fallen_angel]

Changing the subject, is that a Blue Tongued Skink in your avatar, slayer? It sure is BIG, we're getting one on Monday and are very excited

 

[thestack510]

...................... On page 2 of this post I showed the setup of a 9 year old pair of leos that have never had a single health issue and that has always been housed in a naturalistic setup. As i said, "all i SHOWED was that housing on a natural substrate with out health issues for the long term is possible."

I wonder if an x-ray might disprove your theory. Have you ever had them done? Something tells me the answer is, "No." If I kept a Leo on sand I would name it Piggy Bank, because it may sound like one when you shake it, after a while. :main_laugh:

 

[slayer]

Changing the subject, is that a Blue Tongued Skink in your avatar, slayer? It sure is BIG, we're getting one on Monday and are very excited

.................... Its my pride and joy, my 3ft male Savannah monitor.

Heres my fav. pic of him

and one 2 of his setup.

 

[fallen_angel]

Ohh okay, I was going to say, it sure is fat if it is a skink, but the head shape didn't look quite right, wasn't sure. I love monitors.

 

[slayer]

I wonder if an x-ray might disprove your theory. Have you ever had them done? Something tells me the answer is, "No." If I kept a Leo on sand I would name it Piggy Bank, because it may sound like one when you shake it, after a while. :main_laugh:

........................No i have not had them x-rayed since there has been no need for any medical tests. They have always eaten, shat and reproduced just fine. Now if you wanna send me a money order to pay for a few needless x-rays to feed your curiostity, I think I could do that for you lol . Ill p.m. you my mailing address and I love the "Piggy Bank" name i might just change ones to that

 

[Gregg M]

I have a question for those who think natural sandy soil substrates will cause impaction...

What is keeping the natural sandy soil in the gecko in order to cause it to become impacted??? Since everyone seems to know so much about a leopard geckos environment without ever being there, I am guessing that this should be an easy question to answer... LOL

I also want to say that if an animals natural substrate is killing it in the wild, it is doubtful they would make it to breeding age, nevermind thrive...

 

[Tony C]

Since everyone seems to know so much about a leopard geckos environment without ever being there, I am guessing that this should be an easy question to answer... LOL

There is a reason the Middle East is nicknamed "The Sandbox"...