whats the difference? hybinos, hyglows and sunglows

[Nigel4less]

Alot of things look different but thats what selective breeding is all about I might be a kid but it seems like that as long as we all have different opinions everyones opinion should be valid. Albertos geckos might`ve gone through YEARS(Im assuming) of selective breeding to maintain that orange color... I believe Alberto when he says he contains NO hypo blood in his line of Hyglos. Just my opinion....

 

[Gazz]

Also as far as I can recall, I have never on a public forum called out Ron Tremper.

I never said that you have puplicly done so but have you never look at a leo from a credible breeder and disagreed with there labeling'etc'etc in your head sitting at home ??.Who ever they are they are only people and question can and should be asked if you feel it needs asking.Sorry just the wat i feel .

 

[Gazz]

There is a difference between selectively breeding for reduced patterning and having a genetic trait that causes reduced patterning.

If you breed a leo either selectivly for high reduced or no spotting(hypo tangerine) or have a genetic trait for high reduced or no spotting(ghost-still a hypo) both are in hypo land.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

[puts on Moderator hat] Let's make sure we don't let this thread escalate into a flame war or breeder-bashing. [/Moderator hat]

It's perfectly fine to question breeders on how they developed their morphs, but NOT acceptable to argue with them over what they did or did not do to achieve it.

 

[A&M Gecko]

Excuse me Gazz! Just who the He!! are you to question Alberto about his line of animals????

Jeremy you are too cool, lol.

Guys, I do not expect that every one goes on my site and reads every line but if you had spent 5 minutes on that page you would have realized that I made 2 titles for different name in that same page, one is a hyglo which i stated has no hypo genes and it does not, the other is my line of sunglow/hybino that I called super hyglo, bad idea, :main_laugh: , I agree and I will contact my web designer to change that to just sunglow/hybino. I did not mean to confuse anyone and I also never sold one super hyglos with that name but just as sunglow/hybino name. Soooooo., to avoid confusion look at the whole page and read every line carefully, :main_robin: :main_robin: before I fix it, this way you can understand that in 1 page there are hypo albinos and tangerine albinos.
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Alberto

This is the first section, the giant super hyglo. How can you not tell from this description that no hypo genes are in those animals, lol, I say it right there myself.
This is the A&M Gecko line of sunglows, with the addition of the giant gene. This was a three year project that came to life in 2005 with the hatching of the first Giant Hyglo. Is a combination of 4 morphs, albino x giant x tangerine x hypo carrot tail. AKA: SHTCT Albino Giant.
And this is the giant hyglo.
The Hyglo is a name coined here at A&M Gecko for a super tangerine albino with at least 90% of the body covered with a tangerine color. This is a selectively bred morph that we have been working on with tangerine banded, jungle, striped and reverse striped albinos for many years to obtain the final result.

 

[robin]

I refer to my Bells as "Sunglows" instead of "Hybinos" simply because I originally got them from Garrick, and he calls them "Sunglows". He chose to call them "Sunglows" not because he was trying to come up with a catchy new name, but because in the reptile industry in general the term "Sunglow" is a very common name for hypo albinos.

perhaps in snakes but not leopard geckos

 

[robin]

There is a difference between selectively breeding for reduced patterning and having a genetic trait that causes reduced patterning.

Also as far as I can recall, I have never on a public forum called out Ron Tremper.

:main_lipsrsealed:

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

No not until Craig Stewart added Tangerine, and called them that. So if you go by this, that non-Tangs are Hybinos, like Ray Hines, and the Tangs are Sunglows, most of the Hypo-Albinos like the newer Bells, and Rainwaters coming out are Sunglows and not Hybinos, because they have Tangerine influence.

I think it is pretty much Garrick that started the Bell or RW , "Sunglow" thing. Like Jason is saying, now he calls his Sunglows as well.

I say it does not matter too much either way. Im not really anyone important, though.:main_laugh: Some are going to like one name more than the other, and technically we are not going to see too many "true" Hybinos, I mean ones that look like Ray Hine`s did.

If you think about it another way, Ray Hine may have went and tried to be different lol, because in other species of reptiles Sunglow would be the common name. I think this is the only species that the term Hybino is used instead. Is`nt it?

 

[LeosForLess]

I dont really care what ppl call them. On my page i call them sunglows because its just easy and shorter than tangerine albinos. If you want to name somthing i dont think its a big deal. I think people see one person getting a negative conotation(i didnt kno i knew big words) and they just follow along with that person. Craig has made very nice animals, and he can name them whatever. Names can make it more marketable too, so you can say "hey i got a 100% dogchain here u want it?". And about it being confusing, just email the breeder i think they should be able to clarify it for you.

 

[robin]

i got the only hyneeglow in existence

 

[preacherman]

i got the only hyneeglow in existence

Let's see it!

 

[Gazz]

I think this is the only species that the term Hybino is used instead. Is`nt it?

No them hundruans snake people nicked it :main_yes: .

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

we are not going to see too many "true" Hybinos, I mean ones that look like Ray Hine`s did.

My girl Lillith is a second generation Ray Hine Hybino that came from Taino Reptiles... all of which are from Ray Hine.

 

[preacherman]

Wow, Lillith is gorgeous, Marcia!

 

[LeosForLess]

heres a riddle

i'm hatching a bunch of 25% hine 25% albey 50% JMG het tremper super hypo babies.

If i breed 2 of those together, and i get a super hypo albino, what would i call that?

 

[robin]

heres a riddle

i'm hatching a bunch of 25% hine 25% albey 50% JMG het tremper super hypo babies.

If i breed 2 of those together, and i get a super hypo albino, what would i call that?

hybinos

 

[robin]

Let's see it!

i can't post it on the forums :B

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Right Marcia, but even Lillith has a good amount of orange. I`m just saying I don`t think we`ll see too many non-orange ones, that look like the original Hybinos, anymore.

I was only going by my thought that the Ray Hines first "Hybinos" had no Tangerine. So these Tangerine ones, are more technically "Sunglows", if that is the difference between the two lines. Tangerine(Sunglow) or non-Tangerine(Hybino), I mean.

I do not know for sure, I thought that was the "real" difference though. Wouldn`t that make Lillith more of a Sunglow though? Ah heck, just call her nice!

 

[yellermelon]

Wow, ok. Ive just been confused with what is what from day one. This is what I sold myself on, Hybino- bell tangerines, because I read that on these forums somewere. He HE I called the albinos with orange and pink bands, tang albinos... Sunglows, i thought were the ones that didnt have very much pink/lavender, and were mostly orange. lol Then I decided all the other names were "breeder preferences" I now have to study this thread to be "correct" so I dont get into trouble in the future if I mislable somthing lol...GEE thanks Robin!

 

[annakilljoy]

sorry to up this old topic but that's quite interesting, in France sunglow and hybino are not considered as the same morph at all. Well, in fact they are both albino + hypo, but the sunglow must be supertangerine and often carot tail to be a "real" sunglow ...