where can I find some good playsand?

[kizzer182]

Yeah true, I did house my geckos on sand at first but I saw one lick it so I changed to reptile carpet, I would possibly house a adult on sand but not Babys or juveniles,

 

[kizzer182]

I dunno ware or what war you was fighting but a marine on sand duty.... considering most the fighting is done in urban areas or Iraq and afghan I don't see how this is true, what were you looking for camel spiders?

And why are you "conducting combat ops" in Pakistan this job is done by NATO, I'm sorry but really.... marine sniper.... I thought they borrowed for 3 _ 6 weeks and fed info to there post....

I take back this comment what I class as clay some call it sand. There for I apologise.

 

[philly4ya]

I'm sure.



Is it?



How odd that nobody managed to understand that. I thought your point was that the OP may as well kill their gecko outright, that you were accusing Enigmatic Geckos of being a liar and accusing Dimidiata of being ignorant for mentioning that sand was possible to use appropriately even though they chose not to do so themselves.

It was probably my mistake in assuming you understood the meanings of the words you chose to use. Obviously despite not saying anything remotely like the quoted portion that you are now claiming was your point, it was what you meant all along.

Millennium hand and shrimp, tell me about the golf shoes! I'll leave it to you to guess what I meant by that (hint: it was impolite).

Kizzer, every one of the three photos you posted showed sand. Or at least sandy dirt. Which is... pretty much the point that was being made by Enigmatic, use it right if it's going to be used.

I have been involved with reptile since the age of 8. When I was his age 18 I would still consider myself to fall under this category:
"not usually recommended for novice and even intermediate keepers."

It's alot of responsibility at the age of 18 and a good % of teenagers do not have the means for emergency vet care so I don't think taking risks will be wise.

In IMO this sounds like a sign of immaturity.
"sand so plz dont give me the whole sand rant because it isnt going to change my mind"

As for Dimidiata the reason I called him ignorant is because personally as an adult I would not bud into situations that are not directed at me. After the first comment to the OP I never wrote another word, only to EG.

I am fairly new to forums. Most of my life I have computers only for research and work so I fail to realize that people have trouble discerning tone and context from text in writing. I am still learning the internet lingo.
I have not even had time to learn how to use this forum properly.

Silly me I was expecting EG to read between the lines if you know what I mean about what I stated above. I wanted to explain that what works for some does not work for others but I gave up and logged off because the op was going to become offended. So I was not given a chance to explain.

 

[Dimidiata]

I have been involved with reptile since the age of 8. When I was his age 18 I would still consider myself to fall under this category:
"not usually recommended for novice and even intermediate keepers."

As for Dimidiata the reason I called him ignorant is because personally as an adult I would not bud into situations that are not directed at me. After the first comment to the OP I never wrote another word, only to EG.

I am fairly new to forums. .

To this i will be civil. So when i post sand is okay, and you post it isnt and then get argumentitive about it, i can no longer post in public conversations?

Being new is hardley and exscuse for propper acting, after all your an adult and you obviously know EVERYTHING.

The amount of ones time spent with the animal does not always play a roll in how much they know and what they are capable of doing.
Just do me a favor and leave my age out of this from now on.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

M_surinamensis - Congrats on your 1k. Sure did it with a bang.

Philly4ya - At no point in time could I have "read between the lines" to come to that conclusion. I can assure you that right now there are very few people who could afford emergency treatments for all their animals. If every single one of my animals got sick I couldn't afford to treat them all...even with working at a Vet. Also at 18 you can fight a war but not care for a reptile? Seems like at 18 there is a lot of responsibility already established in their lives. Age should not be relative to the ability of someone to care for a reptile/animal.

 

[winwin]

Guys guys, settle down. Let's stick to the topic and help the thread starter.

As for me I understand why the OP wants to use sand, it's nicer if you want to display your gecko. As for impaction, I think in my own opinion that it is ok, though not perfect but ok if you use play sand since it's very fine. But once you see the gecko eating or licking it frequently, I suggest you change back to something else.

 

[philly4ya]

M_surinamensis - Congrats on your 1k. Sure did it with a bang.

Philly4ya - At no point in time could I have "read between the lines" to come to that conclusion. I can assure you that right now there are very few people who could afford emergency treatments for all their animals. If every single one of my animals got sick I couldn't afford to treat them all...even with working at a Vet. Also at 18 you can fight a war but not care for a reptile? Seems like at 18 there is a lot of responsibility already established in their lives. Age should not be relative to the ability of someone to care for a reptile/animal.

Now you have opened up another can of worms. Do you not realize how many people become frustrated when an owner says "I cannot afford a vet". Does that seem fair that a reptile must suffer? You just proved my point. It is the responsibility of an owner. If you cannot afford a vet then you should not own a reptile period. Once again thank you for proving my point, I wish I would have went about my comments the correct way. That was my mistake. I am sure you have seen this over and over in these threads. Here is a perfect example.

Btw Vet care goes along with caring for a reptile!

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=80231

Have a good day everyone!

I was speaking in general.

 

[Russ S]

M_surinamensis - Congrats on your 1k. Sure did it with a bang.

Philly4ya - At no point in time could I have "read between the lines" to come to that conclusion. I can assure you that right now there are very few people who could afford emergency treatments for all their animals. If every single one of my animals got sick I couldn't afford to treat them all...even with working at a Vet. Also at 18 you can fight a war but not care for a reptile? Seems like at 18 there is a lot of responsibility already established in their lives. Age should not be relative to the ability of someone to care for a reptile/animal.

Now you have opened up another can of worms. Do you not realize how many people become frustrated when an owner says "I cannot afford a vet". Does that seem fair that a reptile must suffer? You just proved my point. It is the responsibility of an owner. If you cannot afford a vet then you should not own a reptile period. Once again thank you for proving my point, I wish I would have went about my comments the correct way. That was my mistake. I am sure you have seen this over and over in these threads. Here is a perfect example.

Btw Vet care goes along with caring for a reptile!

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=80231

Have a good day everyone!

Where exactly did he say he couldn't afford a vet? Or are you just reading what you want to see?

 

[philly4ya]

Where exactly did he say he couldn't afford a vet? Or are you just reading what you want to see?

I guess you missed it.

If every single one of my animals got sick I couldn't afford to treat them all...even with working at a Vet.

E_G pulled that out of this conversation in which I was answering to M_surinamensis. Had nothing to do with E_G.

"It's alot of responsibility at the age of 18 and a good % of teenagers do not have the means for emergency vet care so I don't think taking risks will be wise."

It was not intended for E_G in a breeder situation.

 

[Dimidiata]

When we do sand in our fish tanks we tend to aim for play sand aswell as it tends to have better shape. I must assume that silica sand should be avoided do to it being very small? *closes can of worms* stop arguing, just stop posting about its done and simple, its not what the OP wants to hear and its not helping anyone.

 

[Russ S]

I guess you missed it.

If every single one of my animals got sick I couldn't afford to treat them all...even with working at a Vet.

I didn't miss anything.
I assure you that for many people, taking every animal in their care to a vet at the same time would be financially unrealistic.
This does not mean that they can not afford a vet.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

People with experience are often able to treat their animals for ailments that inexperienced keepers must seek veterinary care for, based on things they have learned from their vet. Some vets offer a group rate to see a collection of reptiles.

Veterinary care is not what this thread is about.

The OP asked where to buy sand. That has been answered, as well as some helpful information on it's use has been offered. What bothers me is to ask where to buy it means the OP has no experience in using it. I only hope he/she is experienced enough to recognize any subtle signs of distress in the gecko and is able to (immediately) take the necessary action to insure the animal's safety and health are top priority.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Russ has already said it...but that's exactly what I was implying. That when someone is working with a huge collection and everything were to get ill at once there is no way to afford treatment for EVERYTHING at once. A Vet can not treat an animal until they have had an examination. Add up examination fees for a few hundred animals and tell me you could afford to treat them after that. Yes being able to treat a pet is part of responsible keeping...but there is always a limit to what you are able to do at once. Which is one of the largest reasons we end up putting down a lot of people pets.

And to think...this all derived because you felt the need to provide no positive or informative feedback to the OP and decided to reply in the only manner they asked not to.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Sorry to the OP for this thread going off topic.

If anyone still would like to debate this then start a new thread or PM me (for an educated discussion and not opinions and personal beliefs)

 

[philly4ya]

Sorry to the OP for this thread going off topic.

If anyone still would like to debate this then start a new thread or PM me (for an educated discussion and not opinions and personal beliefs)

I admit the way I went about it in regards to the op was very poorly and I will apologize.

When I wrote:
I wanted to explain that what works for some does not work for others but I gave up and logged off because the op was going to become offended.

I never had the chance to correct myself and explain because I felt I was been attacked by multiple people so I backed off and gave up. It's like having a bunch of people screaming in your ear and my thoughts flew out the door.

This was exactly what raised a red flag which made me feel he is not experienced with sand.
"Hey i was wondering where i can fine some nice fine grated playsand i can use that isnt too big. i know some of you guys have mixed feelings on sand so plz dont give me the whole sand rant because it isnt going to change my mind. thanks"

My real concern was the well being of the gecko and fl_orchidslave stated exactly what flew out the door when I felt attacked.

"What bothers me is to ask where to buy it means the OP has no experience in using it. I only hope he/she is experienced enough to recognize any subtle signs of distress in the gecko and is able to (immediately) take the necessary action to insure the animal's safety and health are top priority."

I was trying to collect my thoughts to explain the best way I could but I failed when I became a bit overwhelmed with so many negative comments.

The vet issue just came to mind because I know not everyone thinks ahead about the expense and I did not want the gecko to suffer if problems would occur.

I do firmly believe that it's important to know our limits when it comes to how many reptiles we home and prepare for emergency situations.

 

[Dimidiata]

*plays saddest song ever* you poor thing.
Anywho it can be agreed that home depot has the nicest selection of sand(and tends to have employees with decent knowledge) The only other place i can think of would be maybe a local gardening/yard center. I have a place thats all sand,soil,tile and such that i used to get my tank gravel. I plan on using it to tile if i have to.

 

[gecko4245]

*plays saddest song ever* you poor thing.
Anywho it can be agreed that home depot has the nicest selection of sand(and tends to have employees with decent knowledge) The only other place i can think of would be maybe a local gardening/yard center. I have a place thats all sand,soil,tile and such that i used to get my tank gravel. I plan on using it to tile if i have to.

Wow, don't mind me guys I am just trying to make sense of this all.

Philly4ya never claimed it could not be used successfully. It seems he or she never had the chance,:main_laugh:

No good deed goes unpunished!

I must admit I would have felt bullied.

Philly4ya did however let his or her emotions lead to a thoughtless comment. Haven't we all at some point in our lives?

M_ suri gave some great information as always.

Enigmatic_Geckos I would be honest and say I would have doubted your claims as well. No offense but we all know that we run accross story tellers who claim this and that and it's not always official. I would have tested your reliability in a different manner.

Fl_orchidslave made the greatest comment pertaining to the cause of the discussion to begin with. It was fair and pointed out the main cause of concern.

"What bothers me is to ask where to buy it means the OP has no experience in using it. I only hope he/she is experienced enough to recognize any subtle signs of distress in the gecko and is able to (immediately) take the necessary action to insure the animal's safety and health are top priority."

Dimidiata- you just kept adding fuel to the fire even while philly4ya was not responding to you. I think that is why he or she called you ignorant. It's best to not get in between 2 people having a disagreement. Of course your free to give your opinion but not in the matter you did.

I just like to be fair and open-minded.

Please don't bruise me next

 

[robin]

Let me guess, In a few months you will post "Help, my gecko is impacted" or "something is wrong with my geckos eye" but I cannot afford a vet. You minus well sit your gecko on a ledge, let him jump off and spare him the long months of suffering.

he did not ask for your opinion. he asked where he could find it.

 

[lilmike]

Holy crap I log off and go to sleep then wake up and i see all this!! Well I just want to try and clear some things up with some ppl. I may be 18 but i am not completley inexperianced. I do have a job at a petstore and i budget my money accordingly so that way if my lizards do get sick i have enough money for an emergency pet visit.

The reason i asked where to get playsand is because I saw some at lowes and the stuff was pretty big and sqaure. It wasnt very fine or rounded at all so i wonderd if there was another place to buy it. I guess in hindsight i should have just asked for for specific brand of playsand.

I guess i probably should have known better than to ask about sand on here knowing all the mixed feelings i really didnt expect for it to get like that. But even though things didnt turn out as i expect i like that there were so many replies it shows that ppl care about how there pets turn out and hey a little debate never hurt anyone

 

[gecko4245]

Holy crap I log off and go to sleep then wake up and i see all this!! Well I just want to try and clear some things up with some ppl. I may be 18 but i am not completley inexperianced. I do have a job at a petstore and i budget my money accordingly so that way if my lizards do get sick i have enough money for an emergency pet visit.

The reason i asked where to get playsand is because I saw some at lowes and the stuff was pretty big and sqaure. It wasnt very fine or rounded at all so i wonderd if there was another place to buy it. I guess in hindsight i should have just asked for for specific brand of playsand.

I guess i probably should have known better than to ask about sand on here knowing all the mixed feelings i really didnt expect for it to get like that. But even though things didnt turn out as i expect i like that there were so many replies it shows that ppl care about how there pets turn out and hey a little debate never hurt anyone

Now that is a good sport:main_thumbsup: Even tho I have mixed feelings about the sand, I am glad that you recognize it was all for a good cause and corncern for your little guy:main_yes: