Yet another RAPTOR question :)

[marula]

The "Tremper Method" has been around for nearly 20 years, and it was accidently discovered by Dr. David Crews and Dr. W. H. N. Gutzke when they were doing experiments on Temperature Sex Determination (TSD) back in 1988. They found that the higher the incubation temperature, the less dark pigmentation was observed. Later in 1993, Dr. Brian Viets did a similar study and it was followed by Dr. Tousignant a couple of years later, which only partially confirmed the earlier studies.

i just read one week ago their studies....

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I believe it is simply that some individuals were meant to be lighter or darker. Mine definitely hatched darker from lower temps, but some will lighten up on their own and not turn out dark in the end result. They do not always stay the way they hatched out, that is for sure.

I have not seen any dark males from higher temps, unless they got cooled somehow, sometime after they had hatched. I think it is something to do with, some are more sensitive to lower temps, and/or are able to produce more melanin than others. ...So "the darker ones" (meaning not all start out THAT dark) either lighten back up some as they grow, or they do not.

 

[LeosForLess]

Raptor-bird of pray

 

[robin]

IMO, "chocolate" is just a marketing ploy to describe dark Trempers. I don't see how anybody can keep up with all the latest buzz-words for morphs that have been around for a long time.

dookie browns

 

[Gazz]

Raptor-bird of pray

Yep that's what a raptor is to me a bird of pray or a two leged predatory dinosaur.That's why i think;

Albino patternless stripe;-(APTOR).

Albino partial eclipse eyed patternless stripe;-(Snake eye RAPTOR) I mean what snake eye about snake eyes ?? the eyes of a regular leo eye is more viper like than snake eye.

Albino eclipse eyed patternless stripe;-(RAPTOR).

Is better :main_thumbsup: .

They'll be calling CoDom Giant's.Whales next :main_rolleyes: .

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

You must like to type alot. LOL Sure thats what is, but it is much easier just to type either "Raptor" or "Ruby Eyed-(insert pattern here)". Dont you get the point, of not having to type ALL OF THAT a million times in e-mails, yet?

Gosh!:main_laugh:

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

To add

Sure PRSA (Patternless Red Stripe Albino) works, but the other long title you are descirbing Gazz, is just too much for most of us. Plus it may cause even more confusion. Does anyone think PRSAE (E for Eclipse) works?? I dont know.

I understand what you are saying, and it is "right" to say exactly what it is, it is just nuts to sit there any type all of that out, say on a webpage or something. lol It is a good idea, and I mean no disrespect by this, but that is NOT going to work for me.

The more simple the better. That is exactly why I will not be calling anything a "snake eye", it is what it is, an "Eclipse" or "Ruby Eye", just not all of them are solid eyed IMO... so they do not need to be sub-catagorized like that. That name only caused confusion as far as I can tell allready.

 

[Gazz]

Sure PRSA (Patternless Red Stripe Albino) works, but the other long title you are descirbing Gazz, is just too much for most of us. Plus it may cause even more confusion. Does anyone think PRSAE (E for Eclipse) works?? I dont know.

I understand what you are saying, and it is "right" to say exactly what it is, it is just nuts to sit there any type all of that out, say on a webpage or something. lol It is a good idea, and I mean no disrespect by this, but that is NOT going to work for me.

The more simple the better. That is exactly why I will not be calling anything a "snake eye", it is what it is, an "Eclipse" or "Ruby Eye", just not all of them are solid eyed IMO... so they do not need to be sub-catagorized like that. That name only caused confusion as far as I can tell allready.

I can live with that more than APTOR/RAPTOR me persionly think that albino eclipse is better than ruby eye 1/albino eclipse still state that is the same gene as eclipse just albino.2/A ruby is a deep red jewl and come in that one form but a eclipse come in meny forms whether it's a full eclipse or a partial eclipse a eclipse is a eclipse and every one what they are.So;

Tremper Albino Patternless Red Stripe-AKA-TAPRS.
And just;
Tremper Albino Eclipse eyed Patternless Red Stripe-AKA-TAEPRS.

And when the day comes;
Bell Albino Patternless Red Stripe-AKA-BAPRS.
And if it's possible ??;
Bell Albino Eclipse eyed Patternless Red Stipe.

And;
Rainwater Albino Pattternless Red Stipe-AKA-RAPRS.
And if possible;
Rainwater Albino Eclipse eyed Patternless Red Stripe-AKA-RAEPRS.

But if you don't agree Fair do's free world and all that :main_thumbsup: .

 

[giantkeeper]

Should'nt the eclipse eyes be red in these particular Raptor/Aptor's because of the albino and eclipse genes being expressed at the same time? Are they just not albinos???

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Chris, you missed a big piece of the puzzle. They are sensitive to low ambient, or incubation temps. Their eyes are darker because of the temp they were incubated at.

They ARE red, it is just very dark, due to temperature.

 

[giantkeeper]

Chris, you missed a big piece of the puzzle. They are sensitive to low ambient, or incubation temps. Their eyes are darker because of the temp they were incubated at.

They ARE red, it is just very dark, due to temperature.

You are correct, I replied from page 2 without seeing the rest of the posts:main_robin: ....I was like, how in the *H* do you get albino Eclipse eyes that are not red...lol:main_thumbsup:

 

[Sunshine State Exotics]

Just to update this thread... Two eggs incubated at 88 degrees each hatched with two solid BRIGHT red eyes.

 

[preacherman]

Congrats!

 

[trizzypballr]

so low temps give red eyes or high temps do? Im kinda confused, is it diff for males and females, or is it that just one sex will have nice red eyes?

 

[Sunshine State Exotics]

Low temps give dark red eyes.

High temps give bright red eyes.