Anyone not breeding enigmas for 2010?

[MiamiLeos]

never gotten into enigmas, not to say i never will, just never have.

 

[mindgamer8907]

I apologize for any poorly conceived jibes in my post... there is not malice towards any one group of people, I assure you. I am sorry if some of them come off as rude or discriminatory, I don't feel that way at all. Sorry, one and all.

 

[robin]

i didnt see anything or read anything in to it as malicious, rude or discriminatory. it's all good

 

[robin]

as far as your post. i have yet to dissect it but i just woke up. lol however as far as they eye theory, i believe that was the first thought but the researcher that kelli sent the enigmas to, to be studies specializes in eyes and eye related things. physically the enigmas eyes are the same as any other leopard geckos eyes (just different color of course) but nothing physically abnormal. i am sorta wondering if it is chemical, like in mentally ill people, the lack or over production of a specific chemical like serotonin, of course in the case of the enigma i wouldn't know what the chemical would be lol. from the test the geckos are physically the same. so perhaps a chemical imbalance or misfiring neurons.

 

[mindgamer8907]

a chemical imbalance in the brain, (as in bipolar or manic-dep. patients) would cause a great deal of misfiring... which when it comes to brains can effectively cause enigma syndrome in humans and other animals... though the eye-sight doesn't generally change too much.

 

[robin]

a chemical imbalance in the brain, (as in bipolar or manic-dep. patients) would cause a great deal of misfiring... which when it comes to brains can effectively cause enigma syndrome in humans and other animals... though the eye-sight doesn't generally change too much.

added stress can cause fluctuations in brain chemistry which could cause immediate onset as well.do seizure patients or Parkensons patients ever experience any eye abnormalities? or are predisposed to have any eye conditions, sorta like diabetes patients are prone to glaucoma.
i know that some mental illnesses and seizures and Parkensons are treated with the same medications and work kinda similar.

 

[mindgamer8907]

You know I had forgotten about epileptics. They tend to have poor eyes from the start and get worse as they experience more severe symptoms of the condition... However, a thought just occurred to me. Using humans as a metaphor for neurology is tricky, our nerves operate on the same basic system as does most of our wiring, but cold blooded animals tend to have slightly different proclivities and I guess you would call it a slightly different operating system. It would be like trying to compare the code of linux, windows, and mac: same essential hardware (circuits etc.), same basic code structure (binary), but entirely different programming. So while we may be able to equate the two I think this disclaimer is important. If there are any herp vets viewing this right now please advise me on these differences of mammalian and reptile neurology? I vaguely remember there is a difference that could mean everything in this conversation.

 

[robin]

oh i am not saying these are the same things but possibly something kinda like it or comparative to it or something to use as an example that is easier to understand.

 

[mindgamer8907]

Pardon, I'm a bit dense, suffice to say, agreed not the same thing. I'm mostly just pointing out the fact that while analogous to one another, the analogy may be rendered ineffective due to the nature of mammalian and reptile neuro-pathologies... er... Translation= flawed because while they seem comparative, the operation of the disorders within the animals occurs by different processes... Does that make sense or am I a little lost in my wording? If so that's ok, the analogy seems to work pretty well.

 

[robin]

yes yes it completely makes sense.