Black Pearl

[Gregg M]

lol, why do you have to be such a ball buster all of the time?

thats like saying your not going to by an $1000 red stripe because it will not produce perfect red stripes. LINE BREEDING, LINE BREEDING.



it has been nice talking to you again, gregg

Hey Hacksaw, thats how I get down bro... Most of the people here know what to expect from my post... Sure I can be a ball breaker, but if people read between the lines they will see my opinion stated loud and clear for the world to see... LOL Plus they might actually learn something...

As far as buying a red stripe for a grand, well that would be silly too.... LOL

I think it took one phone call from Craig to stop that because they all went from being available to being on hold and then sold right around the time Craig put in the offer to buy the whole project. I don't think anyone had commited to buying any before he took things over.

As far as this statement goes all I have to do is :main_laugh:

If you think for a second that no one else got in on the black pearls before they were bought by Craig, you are fooling yourself... The fact is no one knows for sure how many were let out before they were taken over...

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Hey GAZZ and SKMCWILLIAMS...There may be some benefit to you in reading this thread. There's lots of very useful information, and Thanks to ALL that contributed to that "Gold Mine"! :main_yes:

I knew that I saw somewhere before that the Hypo gene was co-dominant, but didn't realize that there were line-bred "Hypos" out there as well. So my understanding, for quite some time now, was that there was only one co-dominant Hypo trait out there. Clearly my misunderstanding.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to message somebody about a certain SHTCTB.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

As far as TUG and Craig releasing them possibly to soon. He was nothing but upfront from the very begining that even though he knew them to be genetic he wasn't sure himself if recessive or co dom. Now I think it is the responsibility of those who buy from him to also not make any false claims as to what they are when selling offspring until it is confirmed one way or another. I knew exactly what my money has gone for, no wool pulled over these eyes so I don't think Craig should be chastised for any reason. Let's just hope the future of the beauties aren't muddled in scandal by those who would make false claims on what they are for several seasons to come.:main_thumbsup:

Kendra, I'm not sure if this was intended for me, but if it was... in no way have accused anyone of any wrong-doing at all. I simply feel that "I" would not spend $3K on a new morph who's genetics are yet unproven.

 

[SleepyDee]

Hey GAZZ and SKMCWILLIAMS...There may be some benefit to you in reading this thread. There's lots of very useful information, and Thanks to ALL that contributed to that "Gold Mine"! :main_yes:

I knew that I saw somewhere before that the Hypo gene was co-dominant, but didn't realize that there were line-bred "Hypos" out there as well. So my understanding, for quite some time now, was that there was only one co-dominant Hypo trait out there. Clearly my misunderstanding.

thanks for posting that link ~ it's actually proved very useful for me :main_thumbsup:

 

[Gazz]

Hey GAZZ

I read it and the rest he posted on another forum.He bred a super hypo X (WC) normal.And got Super hypo,Hypo and normal offspring.That's NOT codominant.If hypo was codominant he would have got 100% hypo offspring only from that breeding.Hypo is dominant and super hypo is dominant + polygenic.

And by a friend of mine breeding result that i've shown.Super hypo tangerine X normal = a normal,a hi-yellow normal,a hypo,a super hypo.That's not Codominants way of working.

That tells me hypo is dominant.And a SUPER hypo like baldy & carrottail is the result of line breeding dominant hypos.

No...that's not possible,because I produced Hypos without spots on body from "Super Hypo x Wild caught"-pairing.

So deffo not Codominant coz if it was codominant they'd be 100%Hypo there'd be NO! super hypo.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

So you say you got different results. And? Does that mean that everyone elses experience doesn't deserve some degree of credit?

For me, the fact that the results were brought forward publicly and given merit by some folks that have been in the hobby far longer than you or I (probably combined) says something.

The nature in which you responded there tells me quite a bit.

 

[Gazz]

So you say you got different results. And? Does that mean that everyone elses experience doesn't deserve some degree of credit?

For me, the fact that the results were brought forward publicly and given merit by some folks that have been in the hobby far longer than you or I (probably combined) says something.

The nature in which you responded there tells me quite a bit.

By Rhac's own quote hypo is't codominant.If hypo was codominant then Super hypo X normal = 100%Hypo.

Rhac bred super hypo X normal.And it resulted in super hypo offspring = NOT Codominant.

Question.

Maybe the ones with no body spotting are the super form.

Answer.

No...that's not possible,because I produced Hypos WITHOUT SPOTS on body from "Super Hypo x Wild caught"-pairing.

Rhac words not mine:main_thumbsup:.

 

[Lady_Kiya]

I am thrilled he released them. I do however think the price is a little much, for me anyway. But they are definitely gorgeous, there is no denying that.

 

[Hacksaw]

the way i am looking at the black pearl now..

its like the tangerine..only going the complete opposite way. the tangerine isnt really seperate morph, like the blizzard or patternless. the tangerines we see today are all from high yellows 15 years ago. we just line bred them to get the extreme oranges and red hues on them. so the black pearl is just a really dark normal, that can be line bred to be completely black. like the tangerine..

 

[Nigel4less]

Dominant Hypo is the Ghost Trait, while the Line Bred Hypos are just that...

 

[skmcwilliams]

As far as this statement goes all I have to do is :main_laugh:

If you think for a second that no one else got in on the black pearls before they were bought by Craig, you are fooling yourself... The fact is no one knows for sure how many were let out before they were taken over...[/QUOTE]

And you know everything about everythng right? As usual. You must have spies in every continent:main_rolleyes:

I never said that Conrad never released them here and there. I am quite sure there are some running around, just pretty certain not to many is the US or Canada outside of Craig's collection. I was just stating that the ones that jumped up available on his website and then were instantly put on hold, those I don't believe went to anyone but Craig.

 

[paulnj]

Kendra, I know Gregg was not trying to be as harsh as that statement was taken. I and Gregg threw around possibly trying to get some ourselves, so we have "spies" in europe :main_laugh: Sticker shock and low fundage scared me .

Gregg is 100% a TUG supporter and his tangerines and sunglows are indeed PURE TUG:main_thumbsup:

 

[giantkeeper]

Like them or not they are here, jump on board or get out of the way.

 

[skmcwilliams]

Kendra, I know Gregg was not trying to be as harsh as that statement was taken. I and Gregg threw around possibly trying to get some ourselves, so we have "spies" in europe :main_laugh: Sticker shock and low fundage scared me .

Gregg is 100% a TUG supporter and his tangerines and sunglows are indeed PURE TUG:main_thumbsup:

Actually my post was meant more razzing then harsh, but on forums I forget that words usually come across worse than what are intended.

I guess we all had spies in Europe for all the good that did us.

I think that Gregg might spit nickels if it was thought that he also looked into aquiring the "poop" with legs as he stated before. (okay not that exact wording.)

 

[paulnj]

We thought about it.....

Conrad's images were nowhere near as good as Craig's images , but I would love to see an adult in natural light

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I would love to see an adult in natural light

Ohhh yes!!!! That would be awesome!

 

[eric]

WOW! Well, we all know now who has spent money in Canada....Don't we! Touchy....touchy :main_evilgrin:

I see you!

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Hmmmmmmmm...Is it just me, or does that seem just a bit antagonistic?

 

[Redleg]

I will gladly spend my hard earned money with a business that has top notch customer service and products....in this case geckos. I would purchase from TUG again when I am ready to expand on my collection, just currently don't have the $$ for the Black Pearl......even if they are still available or not.

 

[MagPie]

hmmm ... ok no offense to anyone who likes this geckos, but I don't get it. Maybe if they were a solid black (without looking muddy) with black eyes. Right now, in my opinion, they're just not that pretty.