Black Pearl

[PacHerp]

If you want to spend three grand on a gecko not knowing how many are out there right now, not knowing what happened to the originals, and not for sure what the percentage of black on it will be then go ahead.

I just think its important to know everything you can about a morph to fully understand it exspecially if its new and the genetics are still IFFY at best.

It is important to know everything we can about this new morph - I agree, asking questions is never wrong in this case. BUT insinuating that there are more of them out there is a completely different situation.

I just don't want people to get confused and start to panic as if there are 50 of these things 'hiding' in other collections around the world. I just think we need to let that rest, if Craig or Konrad want to address this particular issue - please, let them take it from here.

 

[eyelids]

Justin read the whole story... The entire group they came out of is DEAD...

 

[Redleg]

Thanks for posting pictures of your new morphs on white background Craig and answering some questions that have been generated from this thread. Thanks again for your contribution in this great hobby/trade.

 

[KelliH]

I'll admit it right here and now: I'm jealous as hell, I wish I had all those Black Pearls! I think they are awesome and worth every penny.

 

[justindh1]

I am not trying to create a panic just wondering! Theres are black pearls being sold which are het for tremper, het for patternless, and hypo. Based off that they have atleast several leos that where breed and laying right now with this genetics. Living Art geckos had several pics of differant black pearls on their websight too.

If i invest 3k i want to know how many are around so i can tell how the market will go in the next few years. I guesss since i havn't spent 3k then i don't have the right to know.

Maybe i am jealous too that i don't have 3k to spend on this morph!

 

[yellermelon]

Bangin kick butt leopard geckos!

 

[nevinm]

Justin read the whole story... The entire group they came out of is DEAD...

what?????

 

[Craig Stewart]

I always respect people`s opinions and because they are opinions there is no right or wrong ones and I normally leave it at that. However, when I see individuals making bold statements about the genetics behind a project they have no knowledge or experience with I honestly question their motive because I can`t believe anyone would be that ignorant. Having said that, let me make this statement one more time because it seems that it wasn`t clear in my last post. The Black Pearl is a proven morph period. This is a fact and not speculation, not an opinion, not an attempt to mislead but solid fact. As I mentioned before we can`t expect everyone to be as excited as we are about them but to knock the project with bold statements that have no fact I find confusing and malicious. Thanks again to everyone for their feedback and comments. Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions.

Best regards,

Craig Stewart
The Urban Gecko
Tel: 905 264-5555
web site: www.theurbangecko.com

 

[KelliH]

I agree with you Craig. Anyone that does not have firsthand knowledge or experience with this morph is just posting their opinions. Stating an opinion as fact does no one any good. I've had to deal with similar things and I think some of it can be termed "sour grapes". I wish you only the best with the project and cannot wait to see what the future holds for the Black Pearls.

 

[SFgeckos]

I think what Craig is trying to explain is that the "black pearl" is a PROVEN MORPH, meaning that the physical traits of the "black pearl" can be genetically passed on to the next generation's offspring.

However, at this current time, without further testing and breeding, the "black pearl" GENETICS are uncertain- either being recessive or possibly co-dominance. Either way, IT IS A MORPH.

Jon

 

[SFgeckos]

oops

Sorry I just saw Craig's posting!

Good luck to you and all your projects!

 

[Gregg M]

However, at this current time, without further testing and breeding, the "black pearl" GENETICS are uncertain- either being recessive or possibly co-dominance. Either way, IT IS A MORPH.

Thats exactly my point but I am looking at it differently... In my opinion, for a color variation to be cinsidered a morph, the genetics need to be proven... If simple variation in color was all we needed to justify an animal being a morph, there would be many animals being called morphs in the hobby that should not be...

With that being said, I am basing my opinion on the inconsistant info put up by the originator of the "morph"... The one who came out with the "morph" is uncertain of the genetics after X amount of years working with it...

As far as me not being fond of a brown leo being called a black is my opinion that I am free to express... I was also expressing my opinion that it would be silly to buy a co-dom or polygenic traight for 3 grand especially if it is going to make brown leos...

Craig, do not think for a second that I am trying to be malicious to you... In fact I am a supporter of TUG... Just stating how I feel on the subject... I never presented anything as factual or 100% correct... I have stated how I felt about this variation being called a black pearl (for its lack of actually being black) or the holy grail of leopard geckos long before they got into your hands... Atleast publicly...

 

[Halley]

Craig thanks for your post. But, would you mind sharing a few pictures of your adults on white backgrounds, or a few of your best hatchlings. I think we’d all like to see the true potential in this project.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Craig thanks for your post. But, would you mind sharing a few pictures of your adults on white backgrounds, or a few of your best hatchlings. I think we’d all like to see the true potential in this project.

Post #68.

 

[Halley]

Post #68.

I have included a photo I took of a typical Black Pearl baby.

Thanks ink_scorpion, but I was wanting pictures of the-best-of-the-best, not a typical one.

 

[eyelids]

Typical? You're funny Nick...

 

[cheeseball705]

Thanks for posting the pics on a white background, Craig... what an awesome little gecko! If those little ones kept that color into adulthood, I would buy it in a heartbeat. So, I am very interested to see how this morph develops at it matures, and to know whether it is co-dominant or recessive.

i agree marcia the white background really sharpens these guys up in my opinion. it will be long time before i can afford one but then agian after more work has been done with these little guys i will know what one i want lol. def will be interesting to see what developes from craig and other breeders as this morph is worked with.

 

[mitchrobot]

they are interesting geckos, but not what i personally would consider to be hypermelanistic, what i want to see is a solid black animal .

either way, nice looking morph, it will be interesting to see how it works with other traits

 

[Bellalee]

Not my cup of tea.. just too dark for me. I like bright. But cool non-the-less. Nothing to add.

 

[skmcwilliams]

they are interesting geckos, but not what i personally would consider to be hypermelanistic, what i want to see is a solid black animal .

either way, nice looking morph, it will be interesting to see how it works with other traits

Definition of Hypermelanistic: Having excessive black and/or brown pigment (usually just referred to as melanistic)..


What is not to understand that these are hypermelanistic leopard geckos? Just like with the tangerines we had hypo even before all the spots were removed we call them super hypo when they have no spots. The same credit should be given to the black pearls. Hyper now super hyper if anyone can achieve removing the pattern and making a solid black/dark brown leopard gecko.

Most of you a couple of months ago jumped on the band wagon that they had to be line bred, now that it's been brought out by a reputable breeder with a guarantee that it's genetic now you still want to knock it. You all will probably be the same people in a few years when they are $100 that you are raving about your black pearl patternless carrot tail eclipse enigma and giving it some crazy name to boot. :main_rolleyes: