creamsicles question = )

[capoeirajosh]

I am really interested in trying to produce some creamsicles. From what I understand you need to go through at least 2 generations to be able to do this. My question is, do you need to breed the SHTCTB to a mack snow or a mack super snow??

 

[paulnj]

I do believe you first need to make hypo macks or mack ghosts and using a SS will yield 100% mack snow offspring. From there you would breed to a very nice tangerine to make 50% creamsicles varying in quality and 50% hypo tangerines varying in quality.

 

[capoeirajosh]

Thanks a bunch!! = )

 

[2.1SRR.YYC]

I took a shot at creating creamsicles this year by breeding a nice SHTCTB female to a nice Mack Snow male. Here is some of what I got from that pairing...

As far as I can tell only the last gecko turned out to be a Hypo Mack Snow? I was quite disappointed.

Maybe I'll use a Mack Super Snow next year...

Anyone else working on this project? I'm curious what your results were.
I'll be breeding the one in the last picture back to it's mom if it's a male.

 

[giantkeeper]

I used a Mack snow to several hypo females, and have only gotten two hypo macks out of 7 macks.....but it is enough to move forward for next season.

 

[Gregg M]

Here is a result from a "creamsicle" project of mine. This animal was produced months before JMG showed them and coined them as creamsicles. When I started producing them they were still considered Super Hypo Mack Snows. To me that is still what they are...

This gecko is the result of a third generation female Urban Gecko SHTCTB and a male Hypo Mack snow. My results were actually great...

 

[2.1SRR.YYC]

Hey Gregg,

I remember you posting about your Hypo Mack Snow a while back. It looked a little like the last one I posted. It had the characteristic white cross pattern on the back.

Is the one you just posted to this thread an offspring of that paticular gecko?

It would be nice to see how that gecko looks now!

Later...

 

[acpart]

I am also working on a creamsicle project. This is the first year and I bred a Mack Super Snow to a SHTCT from Ray Hines lines. The oldest, which will probably be my holdback is 3 months, and like some of the pictures elsewhere in this thread, she looks like a SHTCT and you'd never know that she's a snow. The others still have differentiation between the yellow/orange bands and the white background, but they are young. It seems as if all of them will be hypo or super hypo. Here's my question: Is it going to be more effective to breed this tang snow female back to the SS father to encourage more of a white background (the thing I love about these creamsicles is the orange/white contrast), or, as Paul suggested, to breed her to another tang? I was assuming I'd breed her back to the SS until I saw Paul's post. Any opinions welcome.

Aliza

 

[giantkeeper]

Paul suggested to breed her to another tang

I agree with Paul...you want to encourage the hypo trait by breeding it back into hypos.

I would think breeding it back to a Super Snow would produce too many super snows and you're likely never going to see the desired trait.

 

[goReptiles]

I too have a project going. I bred a mack with shtctb females. I've had 100% F1 cremesicles with little variation. They seem to start off white with a little yellowing and, it seems to take a minute for them to gain their yellow coloring. I have a nice male that I'm putting up soon and a two holdback females, and a few other females that I'll eventually put up.

You want to breed them to tangs. That is what helps produce the coloring from my understanding.

 

[paulnj]

I currently have mack snow hypo het bell, mack snow ghost het bell, hypo mack snow het tremper... but have very little interested in doing that project at this time. I may throw a SHTCTB het tremper in for fun later in the season though.

 

[acpart]

So, in other words, if you already have a mack snow(SHTxSS) who has hypoed out to the point where there are no body spots, the best chance of getting a snow gecko with orange and white bands is to breed it to a tang for color, rather than to a mack snow for whiteness?

Sorry to be so repetitive about this , but I want to be sure.

Aliza

 

[amyzon]

This thread answers a LOT of my questions... I have a great looking new SS and I'm buying a nice looking but not super bright SHTCTB. I'm going to proceed w/ the project as planned and if the results don't come back as I had hoped I will breed the babies back to the mother, or bite the bullet and invest in a much nicer tangerine. It's great to see all the input... I was wondering if anyone was working on this bc I hadn't seen a lot of threads!

 

[snared99]

Here is my first generation of ghost mack enigmas, when i get off my lazy butt i can shoot other pics too...lol

 

[lytlesnake]

Steve, the third and fourth geckos, and especially the last one (color wise) are showing some cremesicle qualities. You could work with refining those 3. The easiest way to make cremesicles though is to buy a good one and breed it to a really nice SHTCT.

Looking at your pictures, I can see that the third and fourth geckos have some bluish color on their heads. That's one of the things to look for. And the last one is definitely a nice mack hypo.

I took a shot at creating creamsicles this year by breeding a nice SHTCTB female to a nice Mack Snow male. Here is some of what I got from that pairing...

As far as I can tell only the last gecko turned out to be a Hypo Mack Snow? I was quite disappointed.

Maybe I'll use a Mack Super Snow next year...

Anyone else working on this project? I'm curious what your results were.
I'll be breeding the one in the last picture back to it's mom if it's a male.

 

[2.1SRR.YYC]

Ok, so here's a silly question to be asking at this point in the project but is the Mack Snow gene even present in the third and fourth geckos? They look like Super Hypo Tangerines and Hypo Tangerines to me...

I've really never connected the blue head/eyes to the mack snow gene?? Correct me if I'm wrong but the blue head/eyes are simply the blood vessles showing through the pigment of the skin in younger geckos. This can be seen with most genetic traits.

My thoughts are that the Mack Snow gene, being codominant, from a het Mack Snow (Mack Snow not Super Snow) would produce 50% Mack Snow with Hypo Tangerine influence and 50% Hypo Tangerine.

I should be using a Super Snow for this project!! A Super Snow will produce 100% Mack Snow with Hypo Tangerine influence...

goReptiles, would you please post pictures...I'd like to see what your MS x SHT look like.

acpart, all your offspring from a MSS x SHT should be Mack Snow...I'd like to see some pictures of these babies too!! It sounds like some have hypoed out like some of mine did?

Thanks for the info guys!!!!

 

[lytlesnake]

The third and fourth geckos may not have the mack gene, but they are still good Super Hypos to use in your cremesicle project. As far as the blue color on the head, that's one of the things that defines a good cremesicle. BTW, that second gecko might be a cremesicle too. I've seen some on the JMG site that look like that and Jeff called them cremesicles.

 

[acpart]

acpart, all your offspring from a MSS x SHT should be Mack Snow...I'd like to see some pictures of these babies too!! It sounds like some have hypoed out like some of mine did?

THey are all Mack snow (my SHTxMSS) but one has colored up to the point where she looks more like a SHT, even though she is a MS. My dilemma is that I have the color right in this one, but I want the orange and white, not just the orange, so I'm wondering if the next pairing should be with a male tang (resulting in statistically 50% Mack snow, but I'm not sure if I"ll get a distinct white background) or with the super snow again (resultingin 50% Mack snow as opposed to super snow, hopefully better white contrast). Maybe it's best to wait and choose a holdback that retains some of the white/orange contrast. Any thoughts?

Aliza

 

[goReptiles]

goReptiles, would you please post pictures...I'd like to see what your MS x SHT look like.

They all basically look like the last gecko in your group. I'll try to get pictures this weekend. Right now, they are still pretty young, but you can see where they are gaining color (more yellowy at this poin than tang) and are losing what spots they have. I have one temp sex female that doesn't seem to have spots from the start. It's a very interesting project.

 

[Ccrashca069]

I have started a Creamsicle project. I have eggs incubating that are Mack Snow x SHTCT. I am doing 3 or 4 different combos and breeding the best hatchlings to each other if all goes to plan. My next pairings are Ray Hines Lines Hypo Mack Snow(Ghost) x SHTCT and SHTCTB x Hypo Mack Snow.
Gregg do you have an updated pic of your Creamsicle that you hatched?