"Cross Species" Breeding?

[Fuzzy]

Out of curiosity, would it be possibly to breed a Leopard Gecko to a African Fat-Tailed Gecko? I'm merely curious, don't think I'm conducting mad experiments :main_thumbsup:

 

[Tony C]

It's been tried many times, but was never successful.

 

[herpman97]

Well they have to have the same number of sex chromosomes. It's amazing that these geckos cant breed together but ball pythons can breed with burmese and woma pythons.

 

[stewy84]

Dose anyone here have any hands on experince with this, if not who would. This really interests me, they physically look almost identical.

 

[jermh1]

hey maybe thats where all the new AFT morphs are coming from, someone figured it out and just isnt telling.
I think what you need is a gecko rufy, and, or a little fat tail suit that you could put on your leopard gecko, im thinking some music too something soft, and maybe two little bowls of butter worms. thats where I would start, but hey thats just me.
sorry couldnt help it.

 

[stewy84]

Ive wondered about the new aft morphs, mainly the tangs. They are pretty oarnge for a gecko that started out brown, but I dont know anything about the genetics behind any of the aft morphs so who knows.

 

[BSM]

same thing can be said about leos , there suppose to be yellow with black dots






Personally there is no point of crossing species together when it comes down to morph wise anyways but each is to there own opinion. I have bred hybrid lizards before and i dont see much wrong with it unless there is a small gene pool of one or both species. To go back to the morphs when creating hybrid snakes, it really is ridiculous 200k for a snake. Im pretty sure the price has changed on a rock x burm patternless albino since that was about 5-6 yrs ago if my memory serves me correct.

Bryan

 

[Fuzzy]

Very interesting information, thanks everyone! =)

 

[Gazz]

It's been tried many times, but was never successful.

It's been done.There being sold as a leo morph called Black pearl:main_laugh::main_laugh::main_laugh:.

Black pearl.
http://www.theurbangecko.com/images/black_pearl/genetics/bp_mal-1a.gif

But really there has been rumors of leo/fat tail hybrid hatchlings have hatch but have died young.Wheather this is true or false is another thing.

But if you can breed a African Royal python to a Australian Woma python and get offspring.I'd say never say never.

Royal/Woma hybrid.
http://www.ballpythonmorphs.com/tinley07/ballroom5.jpg

 

[StatikStepz]

I don't know the validity of the statement, but i have always heard that it can be done (crossing AFT's to Leo's), but that they don't live long, and die soon after hatching from unknown causes. And i think it may be true based on the fact that i have heard it also from a very reputable breeder.

And GAZZ, how do u know that the Black Pearl is the cross from a AFT to a Leo? This is the 1st that i have heard of that being the origin of them. Where'd u hear that from?

However, i HAVE also heard from this same reputable breeder that the "White-Out" AFT's are originally from a AFT to Leo crossing. I'm not sure on that one, but he said thats also why some of the "White-Out" AFT's die from unknown causes... JMG Reptile has alot of "White-Out"s so maybe someone can verify from them if this is true or not. Altho i'm sure that if it were true, that whoever did 1st create the "White-out", would not share their secret and let others know, lol...

 

[Tony C]

However, i HAVE also heard from this same reputable breeder that the "White-Out" AFT's are originally from a AFT to Leo crossing. I'm not sure on that one, but he said thats also why some of the "White-Out" AFT's die from unknown causes... JMG Reptile has alot of "White-Out"s so maybe someone can verify from them if this is true or not. Altho i'm sure that if it were true, that whoever did 1st create the "White-out", would not share their secret and let others know, lol...

If that is true then I believe the breeder has an ethical obligation to disclose their hybrid origin.

 

[dprince]

I don't know the validity of the statement, but i have always heard that it can be done (crossing AFT's to Leo's), but that they don't live long, and die soon after hatching from unknown causes. And i think it may be true based on the fact that i have heard it also from a very reputable breeder.

And GAZZ, how do u know that the Black Pearl is the cross from a AFT to a Leo? This is the 1st that i have heard of that being the origin of them. Where'd u hear that from?

However, i HAVE also heard from this same reputable breeder that the "White-Out" AFT's are originally from a AFT to Leo crossing. I'm not sure on that one, but he said thats also why some of the "White-Out" AFT's die from unknown causes... JMG Reptile has alot of "White-Out"s so maybe someone can verify from them if this is true or not. Altho i'm sure that if it were true, that whoever did 1st create the "White-out", would not share their secret and let others know, lol...

I believe Gazz was being facisious......correct me if I'm wrong.........

Without pointing any fingers, before this thread turns into a gossip thread where certain breeders are accused of species outcrossing and not divulging that information (which would be an ethics violation), let's try and stay focused on the question at hand. Thanks guys!! :main_thumbsup:

 

[Gregg M]

However, i HAVE also heard from this same reputable breeder that the "White-Out" AFT's are originally from a AFT to Leo crossing. I'm not sure on that one, but he said thats also why some of the "White-Out" AFT's die from unknown causes... JMG Reptile has alot of "White-Out"s so maybe someone can verify from them if this is true or not.

JMG are the originators of the morph and I can assure you that it is NOT the result of an AFT/Leo cross... It was a random mutation just like many of the leo morphs... I know Jeff Sr and Jeff Jr personally... Great breeders and even better people who would never sell something without fully disclosing its genetic make-up... If it were a cross, they would sell it as such...

Whoever told you the White-outs were crosses between Leos and AFTs has some serious issues and honestly can not be that reputable...

 

[Imperial Geckos]

Here is why i think leos can not be crossed with fatties..it is because they are two completely different species and genus....Eublepharis macularius (Leopard Gecko) and Hemitheconyx caudicinctus (African Fat Tailed Gecko)..and someone made a reference to a ball python crossing to a burmese...THis is possible because they are the same species but different genus. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, i took biology in 10th grade..im a little rusty lol) Python regius (Ball Python) and Python molurus bivittatus (Burmese Pyton).

 

[Gregg M]

Here is why i think leos can not be crossed with fatties..it is because they are two completely different species and genus....Eublepharis macularius (Leopard Gecko) and Hemitheconyx caudicinctus (African Fat Tailed Gecko)..and someone made a reference to a ball python crossing to a burmese...THis is possible because they are the same species but different genus. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, i took biology in 10th grade..im a little rusty lol) Python regius (Ball Python) and Python molurus bivittatus (Burmese Pyton).

Ok, what about Ball X Carpet and Woma X ball... I also belive there has been a carpet X retic cross but dont quote me on that...

 

[Imperial Geckos]

Ok, what about Ball X Carpet and Woma X ball... I also belive there has been a carpet X retic cross but dont quote me on that...

Havnt heard of a ball x carpet cross but a woma x ball yes...good point Greg I didn't really think about that one.....:main_lipsrsealed:

 

[Gregg M]

Havnt heard of a ball x carpet cross but a woma x ball yes...good point Greg I didn't really think about that one.....:main_lipsrsealed:

Or even more simple...
King X corn
Corn X pine
Bull X corn

There are other examples but I wont list all of them... LOL:main_thumbsup:

I think it is very possible to cross leos and fatties... I am certain we will see one in the not so distant future...

 

[Baoh]

Here is why i think leos can not be crossed with fatties..it is because they are two completely different species and genus....Eublepharis macularius (Leopard Gecko) and Hemitheconyx caudicinctus (African Fat Tailed Gecko)..and someone made a reference to a ball python crossing to a burmese...THis is possible because they are the same species but different genus. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, i took biology in 10th grade..im a little rusty lol) Python regius (Ball Python) and Python molurus bivittatus (Burmese Pyton).

A lot rusty. The mentioned serpents are within the same genus, but different species.

The former lizards are in different genera and species. However, that 1) does not mean the assignment of the taxonomy was flawless and 2) does not mandate that the two cannot interbreed and yield offspring. If it is based off of high quality genetic data instead of structural differences, then that reduces the likelihood of hybridization, but that also does not absolutely prevent hybridization. Close enough is close enough and just a bit too far is just a bit too far.

As for my opinion, well, I do not know that it is impossible, so I will not state it cannot be done. If it can be done, it will likely require many attempts until two potentially compatible individuals are paired.

The idea that the AFT morphs arose from such a practice is nonsense.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Regardless if it can be done, I don't think it should. What would you gain by doing so? You would only be creating something new with no taxonomical belonging. Creating "mutts" on purpose should only be done for your own possession but not to be distributed. However, I still frown upon that. Yes it may look nice but if you don't like the look of a WC leo (or other reptile) then get a different gecko.

 

[Imperial Geckos]

Regardless if it can be done, I don't think it should. What would you gain by doing so? You would only be creating something new with no taxonomical belonging. Creating "mutts" on purpose should only be done for your own possession but not to be distributed. However, I still frown upon that. Yes it may look nice but if you don't like the look of a WC leo (or other reptile) then get a different gecko.

I agree to some certain extent. Why do we "line-breed" animals? to get nicer looking ones. To "discover" or prove out a new morph inbreeding needs to be done (in most cases)...We are "playing god" in a sense. If we can breed for different colors and morphs...why not cross species? ofcourse a breeder should always be honest as to what he is selling..but that another story...