"Cross Species" Breeding?

[Tommy13b]

There anatomy isent similar at all, If you want to produce them go for it, just be sure to mark them hybrids, i dont really think there will be a big market anyways. Besides all that, It would take awhile to find out this animal's needs, since fat tails need more humidity, and leo's need more heat.

 

[Gregg M]

There anatomy isent similar at all, If you want to produce them go for it, just be sure to mark them hybrids, i dont really think there will be a big market anyways. Besides all that, It would take awhile to find out this animal's needs, since fat tails need more humidity, and leo's need more heat.

Their anatomy is very much the same...

I can assure you there will be quite a market for them IF they turn out to be really good looking hybrids... I am sure those who create it will mark them as hybrids mainly because hybrids fetch a much higher price than pure parent species... Their market value hardly drops... This has also been proven by the current hybrid reptiles on the market...

Actually leos and fatties are usually kept exactly the same... Ask any breeder and they will tell you their husbandry is no different...

 

[Tony C]

I think it is very possible to cross leos and fatties... I am certain we will see one in the not so distant future...

What makes you certain? From what I understand it has been attempted many, many times, never succeeding. Do you know someone who has finally made the cross?

 

[Gregg M]

What makes you certain? From what I understand it has been attempted many, many times, never succeeding. Do you know someone who has finally made the cross?

Let me rephrase...

I strongly believe we will see this hybrid in the not so distant future...:main_thumbsup:

You say you understand it has been attempted many many times but have you seen one person admit to trying the cross??? If so have you seen any data like number of eggs layed? If there were even embryos formed in the egg? If it hatched, how long did the neonate live for??? I am looking for stuff like that...
Without data or people talking about trying the cross and failing, we are all just assuming... If it has been tried so many times, why is there not data on the subject???

I for one have never seen any such post or read any literature on the cross at all... Maybe I will try it and see what happens..:main_laugh:

 

[StatikStepz]

...How bout this point...

Just as nature has selected for the hybridization of certain animals to come out not able to reproduce... What if a Leo X Fat Tail was successfully created, but proved not fertile...?? Does anyone think they would still then hold a "value" or would be as desired..?!?! Especially once people realized that the ONLY way that you could get one would be to try for many many years to possibly get lucky and get a pair to breed....??

 

[StatikStepz]

Let me rephrase...

I strongly believe we will see this hybrid in the not so distant future...:main_thumbsup:

You say you understand it has been attempted many many times but have you seen one person admit to trying the cross??? If so have you seen any data like number of eggs layed? If there were even embryos formed in the egg? If it hatched, how long did the neonate live for??? I am looking for stuff like that...
Without data or people talking about trying the cross and failing, we are all just assuming... If it has been tried so many times, why is there not data on the subject???

I for one have never seen any such post or read any literature on the cross at all... Maybe I will try it and see what happens..:main_laugh:

I take it that you are working on this, Gregg??

I mean, thats how i read it. I can pick up on my context clues. lol

 

[Tony C]

Let me rephrase...

I don't have any data on the subject, I was hoping maybe you did. I've seen a lot of talk about how a number of breeders have tried without success, but no hard data.

 

[Gregg M]

...How bout this point...

Just as nature has selected for the hybridization of certain animals to come out not able to reproduce... What if a Leo X Fat Tail was successfully created, but proved not fertile...?? Does anyone think they would still then hold a "value" or would be as desired..?!?! Especially once people realized that the ONLY way that you could get one would be to try for many many years to possibly get lucky and get a pair to breed....??

Well if you look at the history of reptilian hybrids you will see that every hybrid created thus far has been just as if not even more so fertile than the pure species used to create it... If it did turn out to not be a fertile hybrid, I am sure there will be some who will not buy into that project but there will also be others who would still buy it at a high price just because it is different... The market would be smaller but not done away with...

I take it that you are working on this, Gregg??

Personally I have no interest in even trying this cross as I am not big on hybrids unless they a ones that happen in nature regularly... With that being said, I have no problem with anyone else doing it... In fact I would like to see what a cross between the two would look like...

 

[Landen]

just to add to the list of crosses above, I once physically saw what was told to me to be a rhino viper X gaboon viper cross. It was an amazingling beautiful animal...... way too venomous for me though !!

I think it's proven that reptiles can cross, should it be done.... I don't really see the long term benifit. Yeah it may be a challenge to accomplish but to create in the masses I think is a bad idea. Just my two sense though. Good luck to those that are trying. It would be nice to see a pic of one.

 

[herpencounter]

just to add to the list of crosses above, I once physically saw what was told to me to be a rhino viper X gaboon viper cross. It was an amazingling beautiful animal...... way too venomous for me though !!

The rhino X gaboon is one of the most amazing hybrids on the face of the planet. No question.

J.

 

[Northstar Herp]

The rhino X gaboon is one of the most amazing hybrids on the face of the planet. No question.

J.

True, true. I've seen some pretty cool looking carpondros too, though some are butt ugly. But that's true for "pures" to, ain't it?

I'd be interested to see what the leo aft cross looked like, too, but I wouldn't want to own one.

 

[Gregg M]

The rhino X gaboon is one of the most amazing hybrids on the face of the planet. No question.

J.

I have produced F1's and had a bunch of F2's... I have to say that the Fs generation is much more impressive...

The gaboon rhino cross is a very common wild cross and is 100% natural...

Wild caught adult gaboon rhino viper crosses come in pretty regularly...

Here is one of my males... He was a wild caught... Came straight from Africa at about 3 feet long...

 

[ElapidSVT]

with some hybrids i worry about the wild populations if one were to escape captivity and integrate into the wild population. say a jungle corn escapes in california and integrates with the local kingsnake population. something like that would be a bad thing imo.

as far as whether it's possible to create a leo x aft hybrid.. i'm pretty much of the opinion that if it were possible it would have been done by now.
i could b wrong.


good luck
rob

 

[Landen]

oh wow, that is pretty cool. This was also about 8-10 yrs ago when I saw that one personally. I didn't know they were more common or even naturally. Sure are pretty snakes though!