Do you think Enigmas should still be bred from??

[Laporte]

I thought for the most part symptomes were due to stress, hence if you have respect for the syndrome there should be less symptomes making life easier on the gecko....?

 

[Northstar Herp]

Some spin all the time, some are worse than others, but the problem is that you don't know what you're going to hatch and if it's going to have terrible problems until it pops out. That's why there's a question to breed them or not. At least it's not simple recessive and animals are all over the place carrying the gene but the breeder doesn't know it until it's too late.

 

[Embrace Calamity]

I thought for the most part symptomes were due to stress, hence if you have respect for the syndrome there should be less symptomes making life easier on the gecko....?

I admit to knowing very little about enigma syndrome, but I seriously doubt stress causes symptoms to arise. It may exacerbate them, but if a gecko has it, I really don't think avoiding stress will mean it will never show. Perhaps I'm wrong, but even if I am and you're correct, how will you prevent a gecko from ever getting stressed at all? And then what about it's offspring and grandoffspring and so on?

~Maggot

 

[Laporte]

I admit to knowing very little about enigma syndrome, but I seriously doubt stress causes symptoms to arise. It may exacerbate them, but if a gecko has it, I really don't think avoiding stress will mean it will never show. Perhaps I'm wrong, but even if I am and you're correct, how will you prevent a gecko from ever getting stressed at all? And then what about it's offspring and grandoffspring and so on?

~Maggot

I don't think you can prevent a gecko from ever being stressed, but by at least trying to accomadate the syndrome it carries, it may reduce symptomes, for example simply changing lighting or lamp fixtures to CHE's may be a minor adjustement for us but it may also help the gecko tons.

Special care for special genes,

But I will also admit I dont have tons and tons of experience or information on enigmas, only what I have read and asked.

Tyler

 

[Embrace Calamity]

I don't think you can prevent a gecko from ever being stressed, but by at least trying to accomadate the syndrome it carries, it may reduce symptomes, for example simply changing lighting or lamp fixtures to CHE's may be a minor adjustement for us but it may also help the gecko tons.

Special care for special genes,

But I will also admit I dont have tons and tons of experience or information on enigmas, only what I have read and asked.

Tyler

So it should be intentionally bred in the hopes the owner will reduce stress so that it "may reduce symptoms"? That seems inhumane at best and willfully cruel at worst. Breeding should occur to better the species, not BECUZ ITS PURTY, completely disregarding the potential suffering of the offspring. Imo.

~Maggot

 

[Laporte]

So it should be intentionally bred in the hopes the owner will reduce stress so that it "may reduce symptoms"? That seems inhumane at best and willfully cruel at worst. Breeding should occur to better the species, not BECUZ ITS PURTY, completely disregarding the potential suffering of the offspring. Imo.

~Maggot

Yea....because that's what I said..... :|

I never said anything about intentional breeding, or in hopes of owners blah bloo blee, I am simply saying that if they are to be bred they should be better accommodated, that's all I'm saying don't twist my words.

 

[Embrace Calamity]

Yea....because that's what I said..... :|

I never said anything about intentional breeding, or in hopes of owners blah bloo blee, I am simply saying that if they are to be bred they should be better accommodated, that's all I'm saying don't twist my words.

Breed these animals with love and respect and there should be no issue.

I'll just leave this here.

~Maggot

 

[Laporte]

Go ahead that was my opinion

And if I'm totally wrong ill admit that too

 

[Embrace Calamity]

Go ahead that was my opinion

Indeed.

If there's a genetic issue that can severely impact on the quality of life of something then it should be stopped. The leo being beautiful doesn't make up the fact that it's doing death rolls and can't properly walk.
It makes me think of people who know they may carry the gene for Huntington's Disease and still choose to have children. HD is a hereditary disease. If one parent carries the mutation then any children have a 50% chance of inheriting the disease. And it will develop at some point in their life. HD is neurological and very similar to Parkinson's.

Elaborating on this point, I inherited very severe depression from my dad's side of the family (as well as anxiety, which has led to ulcers for the past 5 years, and a myriad of other issues), and I've decided to never have children. My depression has crippled me most of my life, including now, in professional, personal, and academic ways, and knowing that there's a strong possibility any children of mine would face the same thing, I won't ever be reproducing. And I think it's a good point to be made, as reproduction is nature's way of preserving and bettering a species, not just popping out whatever poorly developed organism that can be. I think, as human beings with the ability to reason through this, we have a duty to the next generation of all animals to prevent unnecessary suffering due to uncontrolled or unscrupulous breeding.

~Maggot

 

[Laporte]

Well said and sorry hear

 

[Embrace Calamity]

Well said and sorry hear

Ah, well, c'est la vie.

~Maggot

 

[razorgecko1982]

the more crosses of genetics make more decent morphs.

 

[SC Geckos]

Read Marica's post. It has quite a bit of good info on the morph and when it comes from someone like Marcia, you can take that information to the bank. lol!
http://geckoforums.net/general-discussion/83042-enigma-studies.html

 

[Embrace Calamity]

Read Marica's post. It has quite a bit of good info on the morph and when it comes from someone like Marcia, you can take that information to the bank. lol!
http://geckoforums.net/general-discussion/83042-enigma-studies.html

I'm going to just assume who Marica is. Very good post. Thanks for sharing.

~Maggot