Galaxy Morph by Ron Tremper

[Brhaco]

So think before you type guys!

Let's keep this thread about the morph, the Galaxy.

Could not have said it better myself, Kelli. There's no place in this hobby for continually trashing each other-especially not when just about everybody else out there wants to shut us down.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Any new morph will be questioned and carefully scrutinized. Time will tell on this one. As far as a premiere in Japan.. this may not be the time............

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I don't want to see this turn into a flame war against any particular individual(s), especially the pioneer of leopard gecko morph development and marketing genius. But my point is this... we haven't seen a true NEW genetic morph since the Enigma and/or White and Yellow (whichever came first). The Galaxy is a Super Snow Eclipse, possibly with a paradox spot. There have been lots of these around for a few years. I guess it's just a matter of having another 'new' name for everyone to try to remember, and not a 'new' morph.

 

[richardrojas]

I don't want to see this turn into a flame war against any particular individual(s), especially the pioneer of leopard gecko morph development and marketing genius. But my point is this... we haven't seen a true NEW genetic morph since the Enigma and/or White and Yellow (whichever came first). The Galaxy is a Super Snow Eclipse, possibly with a paradox spot. There have been lots of these around for a few years. I guess it's just a matter of having another 'new' name for everyone to try to remember, and not a 'new' morph.

AGREE

 

[Brhaco]

Any new morph will be questioned and carefully scrutinized. Time will tell on this one. As far as a premiere in Japan.. this may not be the time............

Actually Ron already premiered it in Japan, at an exclusive event a few days before the earthquake-which stranded him in Japan for almost a week. It was quite a story....

 

[Brhaco]

Marcia-I strongly disagree, based on my observations of actual breeding trials, but time will tell. Though for the immediate future these won't be available in this country.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

... everybody else out there wants to shut us down

Brad, I honestly don't see this as the goal of everybody else at all. This is a discussion about the skepticism of a community that is overwhelmed with keeping track of morph names and weary of the price tag that comes with them, only to be burned unless we are on the first wave of propagation and sales.

 

[Brhaco]

Brad, I honestly don't see this as the goal of everybody else at all. This is a discussion about the skepticism of a community that is overwhelmed with keeping track of morph names and weary of the price tag that comes with them, only to be burned unless we are on the first wave of propagation and sales.

That's how it's always been-especially if you're working with a prolific, short generation-time species like good 'ol E. macularius. Even with ball pythons, I fully expect to make less than a third the amount I paid for a morph once it finally grows up and breeds for me. The way to make money is to be lucky enough to have a new mutation pop up in your collection, or work with hundreds or thousands of animals so you can make multi-gene morphs like the Raptor.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

The way to make money is to be lucky enough to have a new mutation pop up in your collection...

Exactly! This is why the Galaxy is NOT a 'new' mutation (morph). It is a combination of two 'old' morphs. I just don't get all the hoopla surrounding the introduction and new name of something that has existed in many people's collections for years. Sorry.

 

[Brhaco]

Exactly! This is why the Galaxy is NOT a 'new' mutation (morph). It is a combination of two 'old' morphs. I just don't get all the hoopla surrounding the introduction and new name of something that has existed in many people's collections for years. Sorry.

Now we're getting at the confusion-a "new mutation" and a "morph" are emphatically NOT interchangeable terms. The albino was a new mutation, the "patternless albino" was not-but it WAS a "morph".

If your premise that the Galaxy is a SS Eclipse is correct, then it is neither a new mutation OR a new morph. As I said, I reject your premise-this gecko is more than just an ordinary SS Eclipse (though that is part of what it is). I have a basis for my opinion, having observed actual individuals, breeding trials, and the result of those breedings-I didn't just pull my thoughts out of thin air.

 

[robin]

Now we're getting at the confusion-a "new mutation" and a "morph" are emphatically NOT interchangeable terms. The albino was a new mutation, the "patternless albino" was not-but it WAS a "morph".

If your premise that the Galaxy is a SS Eclipse is correct, then it is neither a new mutation OR a new morph. As I said, I reject your premise-this gecko is more than just an ordinary SS Eclipse (though that is part of what it is). I have a basis for my opinion, having observed actual individuals, breeding trials, and the result of those breedings-I didn't just pull my thoughts out of thin air.

brad, well then lets see some of this info. i would be happy to retract everything i have said if you can show or tell me or give me solid info that this is no more than a paradox super snow eclipse.

also just to clarify, a new MORPH would be the enigma, patternless, albino etc. a COMBINATION MORPH is a mixture of morphs like the radar, patternless albino, and super snow eclipse

 

[Gazz]

GALAXY ? Does he not do his homework :main_rolleyes: , Eclipse super snows have been around for a while now, I beleave there morph name is already taken, Correct me if i'm wrong but a Eclipse super snow is known as a Total eclipse :main_thumbsup:.

 

[THE WHISPERER]

The "Galaxy" is claimed to have the "Moon" the "Stars" and the "Sun" as being the traits that make up this "New Morph". Yet only 3 out of the 5 have the "Sun" trait. The other 2 are no different then some of the Super Snow Eclipses out there, yet they're being labeled as a new morph? the links on post #37 clearly show that these geckos aren't the first to have white legs, high white on the face, or a white tipped tail. IMO just another marketing scheme, and I'm not impressed.

 

[Big Red One]

The "Galaxy" is claimed to have the "Moon" the "Stars" and the "Sun" as being the traits that make up this "New Morph". Yet only 3 out of the 5 have the "Sun" trait. The other 2 are no different then some of the Super Snow Eclipses out there, yet they're being labeled as a new morph? the links on post #37 clearly show that these geckos aren't the first to have white legs, high white on the face, or a white tipped tail. IMO just another marketing scheme, and I'm not impressed.

I agree. It looks like they are Sseclipse with random paradox spotting.
If part of the new makeup is the spot but the spot doesn't occur everytime then it's not a consistent marker surely?
And do we know it's a single genetic marker that is giving these results or is it polygenic/linebred traits coming in to play?
Can't say it's a new 'morph' IMO.....

If it is, can't say as I am overly impressed anyway.

 

[chachasushi]

That was my point exactly. There are only 3 geckos who fit the breeder's own definition of the "Galaxy".

I had a blizzard with a paradox spot who fathered clutches where several had an almost identical paradox spot. I guess I missed out on my chance for fame and fortune when I sold them as "Blizzards... with a paradox spot"

 

[fuzzylogix]

here is my male super snow eclipse. notice the all white legs, deep white face, and white tail tip. if this guy had a paradox spot on his side, would you consider him a "galaxy"?

i'm very interested to hear how the other two are considered galaxies as well since they don't have the "sun". how many of these have actually been produced from line breeding? i have several other geckos with paradox spots, and as far as i know the paradox is a random genetic mutation. however, if you can prove that this is not random in any way, then congratulations.

 

[Tony C]

I have a basis for my opinion, having observed actual individuals, breeding trials, and the result of those breedings-I didn't just pull my thoughts out of thin air.

Like the years of breeding trials that led to a rebranded $1000 Eclipse?

 

[Northstar Herp]

I can't be the only one to notice that leo's got an underbite, can I?

 

[lillith]

The only difference I've noticed

From what I can tell, aside from the random yellow paradox spot, is the amount of "whiteface" to this particular kind of SSE. I would conjecture that perhaps there is some of RT's "blue spot" genetics in these SSEs, which would lend him a little more credibility on it being a new trait.

But a trait and a morph are not the same, you have to consistently reproduce the trait and then breed geckos with only that trait to have it continue to morph status.

I personally feel that unless it's a genetic mutation (dominant, co-dominant, or recessive), it has to be a linebred trait. Even in combinations, it can take 3-5 generations to get a consistent aesthetics result. If you don't breed for at least three generations, you can't really figure out the trait's behavior anyhow, so you might as well wait more than two seasons before hollering "NEW MORPH!".

 

[Jordan]

Opinions are fine, personal attacks are not.

For the record, Ron did threaten me with a lawsuit and was VERY ugly to me over the phone due to a similar thread here about the Diablo Blancos. I did some research since then, and spoke to our attorney, and I cannot be sued for what others say, even though I own this website. I can only be sued for what I say, and others can be sued for what they say. So think before you type guys!

Let's keep this thread about the morph, the Galaxy.

Without seeming like i am arguing, but just genuinely asking;

surely no one can be sued for their opinion? Even if Ron doesn't like it.