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[DarthGekko]

You're right. She is from Guam.

 

[Khrysty]

You're right. She is from Guam.

K. That makes much more sense

 

[GeckoStud]

I doubt that this law will be passed to the extent that it states now. There's no way they could pass this or police it just do to the sheer numbers of these animals across the states, and the amount of people working with these animals otherwise. I can see being stricter in areas where these animals can actually cause damage, but the plain fact of the matter is the vast majority of these animals will DIE in most areas just due to the winter temperatures. I don't know, I mean banning big snakes seemed plausible because it was only those, granted I AM NOT saying I agreed with that at all. But to ban all of these different animals including birds, fish, reptiles, etc... is just highly unlikely... I however will do my duty and write a letter and sign petitions and so on and so forth.

 

[Barbel]

I doubt that this law will be passed to the extent that it states now.

I don't think they will pass it as it stands either, because it is so drastic, but I do think they will amend it and still try to go after some species. My guess is that concerning reptiles they will start with the big constrictors. It is VERY important that all reptile keepers help other keepers, because if they do pass a ban on one species, they will move to the next and keep going until they get to them all and when the time comes for the gecko ban, gecko keepers will want help from everyone else as well.
So, even if you don't think the bill will affect geckos immediately, we still need to let them know that it's a crazy, unfair law and should not be passed.

 

[Daidra]

Yeah I meant Guam.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

The biggest problem with this bill is that it is a "one size fits all", sloppy mess. The government cannot control or enforce something like this if it became law. I agree that there is a problem in a few isolated areas here in the US where non-native species have made an impact on our ecosystem and environment, but just because iguanas and big burms are wreaking havock in southern Florida doesn't mean they would do the same in Alaska.

This bill is way too broad and ambiguous. An example might be comparing it to the ferrel pigs of olden times that are now wild and tear up the environment. Look at the wild horses and what they do to to the countryside in places like Utah! If a sheep farmer's animals got loose and started to multiply, well, we all know the damage sheep can do to pature land.

HR668 would give the country 37 months to come up with an "approved' list of animals that would be exempt from the law (if it passed). Who decides which animals are OK and which are not? No only that, it would make the illegal pet trade as bad as the illegal drug or arms trade, and only 'criminals' would have a hamster.

Seriously folks, you all MUST do your part by writing the Congresspeople who are on the Committee that will be hearing the case and voting on it on April 23. Be respectful in your letters and emails, because the way we respond to this will have a large impact on how our Representatives listen. Tell them how you feel about legislature like this, how it would affect you and other citizens. Tell them WHY you feel that HR668 is a bad idea... for everyone.

Get off your butts and send an email!

 

[malik454]

sent mine and passed out flyers at the petstore

 

[Khrysty]

No only that, it would make the illegal pet trade as bad as the illegal drug or arms trade, and only 'criminals' would have a hamster.

That's what I was thinking! Reminds me of the prohibition act, in a way. So many people just ignored the law because it interfered with what they wanted to do, and what the law was banning was something they felt was harmless.

Similar situation here--except we KNOW our guys are harmless. There is no way they could police the law if it passes as is.

 

[Select Gex]

With help from Marcia we just posted on this topic at Gecko Time.

Check it out here: http://www.geckotime.com/stopping-the-non-native-wildlife-invasion-prevention-act-hr-669/

We need to work together in order to prevent this.

 

[boutiquegecko]

I just saw this. Really? I saw Guinea pigs on the short list. Guinea pigs! Well, I'll do my part and write in.

 

[malik454]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPfL212CB8 wacth this vid and folow insructions

 

[Rejoice in the Lord]

I am working on my letter. As I see it, this law is uncontitutional. I even re-read the Constitution. The breeding or keeping of animals was not listed as a Federal responsibility.

Article 1, Section 8 is a list of areas Congress can make laws about.

The article of the twelveth amendment states:

The powers not deligated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

If Congress passes this bill, they will be overstepping their boundries . . . again.

If laws needed, they should be made at the state or city level.

 

[lillith]

ok, so this is what I sent

April 12, 2009
Dear Representative Reichert,

Please join me in opposing H.R. 669, the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act.

This Bill creates an unworkable process which is designed to fail. The government simply does not have the resources to evaluate the thousands of nonnative species already in this country for years and meet the unrealistic listing criteria and time frames in the law, and such a process is unnecessary for controlling truly invasive species.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that banning the import, sale, and trade of the vast majority of these species will have any positive effect on the economy, environment, or human or animal species' health.

In fact, if passed as drafted, H.R. 669 would destroy many families and businesses. It would have a decidedly negative impact on an already ailing economy by destroying a vital and growing industry at a time when our country is in need of jobs and growth.

Please also think of the implications this would have for botanical species as well. Are there to be no more orchids, or japanese maple bonsai, or wine from French grapes? The scope of this act is truly overreaching and beyond the point of reason.

Citizens as myself support a legislative solution that targets species which may actually be invasive, rather than every species not originally native to the U.S., including thousands of species that have been in this country for decades without adverse impact. This Bill is a disaster to American business owners, pet owners, horticulturalists, herbalists, and alternative medicine practioners who care deeply about their pets; even their livelihood and face having to dispose of them because of a flawed law.

Please do not pass H.R. 669 without addressing these flaws.
Sincerely,

XXXXXXXX

*******************************

I used the form letter from http://www.rallycongress.com/no-hr-669/
and altered it a little.

Seriously, doesn't "all non-native species" have BOTANICAL implications as well? Am I the only gardener here???

 

[lillith]

...what does the congresswoman of Guatemala have to do with a United States bill?

I think she meant Guam. I hope she meant Guam. Since Guam is a U.S. Territory, and Guatemala is its own country.

 

[BitterNatch]

Leos are like... marshmallows.... Come on... I dare you to let your baby ONE NIGHT outside your house... bet you he/she will look like crap the next day if lucky..

That must be true for like... 75% of the forum member's critters, the other 20% might make it a week or so, mebbe a month... and about what? 5% maaaay survive for a while... assuming it's not an albino/flashy thingie that most likely will be eaten by a crow or cat... or a rat.

Leopard geckos may be easy to keep, but are quite an easy snack in the wild, in a faraway desert with little predators. They require a very small range of temps, that I don't think apply for most of USA (geckos in the snow, sure) and most likely, they're so spoiled that won't eat anything unless it's right in front of em or in a foot-long range when the exact temperature happens...

My point? To avoid being hypocrites, they should ban even goldfish... Not likely to happen :3. Relax dudes.

 

[grimm]

Where can I find the list of approved species and non approved species

 

[ReptileMan27]

Where can I find the list of approved species and non approved species

This bill will ban ALL NON NATIVE SPECIES, so anything non native to North America will be banned. Its not targeting just any certain species. Even goldfish,leos,hamsters, would be banned:main_thumbsdown:

 

[juiceredrum]

Alex, I am removing this banner because it links to a banner making site.

 

[snowgyre]

I am working on my letter. As I see it, this law is uncontitutional. I even re-read the Constitution. The breeding or keeping of animals was not listed as a Federal responsibility.

The Federal government is, however, in charge of regulating ALL state to state trade, and therefore it is a Federal responsibility, not state, to ban the trading of any goods, animal or otherwise, between states.

Keep in mind that the Lacey Act essentially banned the sale of all native wildlife species and put an end to market hunting. It really is a milestone of conservation, but this bill would essentially extend Federal jurisdiction to nonnative wildlife as well. It does make legal sense.

It is constitutional. Whether or not it's right in its current state is what's up for debate.

 

[ReptilianGems]

I would say it is just more change we can believe in. (just my humble opinion, based on 5 decades of experience) Yes, that was sarcasm.