hobby endangered

[Khrysty]

With bigger snakes, I think they need to make a law requiring a microchip so that people will be less likely to release them when they get to big to care for. I know breeders don't do this, but there are a lot of idiots that do. If they are microchiped the animals can be traced back to the person who let it go and that one person can be penalized, not the hobbyists as a whole.

:main_yes::main_thumbsup:

As a side note: to the person who said something like if this law was really about human safety, then pit bulls would be banned everywhere. UGH! Pit bulls are not anymore dangerous or aggressive than any other type of dog. They are just dogs that want and need to be loved. Labs and beagles are statistically more aggressive, but no one wants to ban them. The people who train them to act negatively should be on death row, not the dogs. Banning pit bulls only hurts the responsible owners.

That is one of the most frustrating biases! Honestly! I know so many loving pits...and quite a few vicious pomeranians. It's nurture, not nature.

 

[stewy84]

Its never going to happen, just like wanting to band firearms. Its a bunch of BS, thats y I dont even pay attention to anything dealing with our government. Ill send a letter tho to do my part. That just blows my mind, maybe make all man eater snakes get registered like we do guns. Well not so much the snake but the owener and amount of snakes he/she owens. Breeders have to record offspring produced and photocopy of purchaser's ID. A lot of hoops to go through but it would take care of "where the thing came from" question. I dont think its fair to take them away all together, just the unresponsable, to bad the dog chip thing dosnt work on them. Ok vented enough

 

[snared99]

Its never going to happen, just like wanting to band firearms. Its a bunch of BS, thats y I dont even pay attention to anything dealing with our government. Ill send a letter tho to do my part. That just blows my mind, maybe make all man eater snakes get registered like we do guns. Well not so much the snake but the owener and amount of snakes he/she owens. Breeders have to record offspring produced and photocopy of purchaser's ID. A lot of hoops to go through but it would take care of "where the thing came from" question. I dont think its fair to take them away all together, just the unresponsable, to bad the dog chip thing dosnt work on them. Ok vented enough

Actually you can use AVID chips on birds and reptiles alike. We do in the zoo i work at. Where ever you find muscle you can insert a AVID

 

[BGalloway]

If this ban passes and they ban the nonnative species that will "cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species’ health or human health" I want to see CATS, DOGS, CATTLE, HORSES, and all the other livestock animals thrown up on the unapproved list with the reptiles and pocket pets.

Why?
Cats and Dogs: Overpopulation, feral colonies attacking native species(especially cats vs native birds), potential rabies carriers, zoonotic diseases.
Cattle, Horses and other livestock: Potential rabies carries, zoonotic diseases, destruction of turf and runoff from feces, active deworming medicine present in feces is killing the native dung beetle.

I can go on for awhile on this but... oh wait, there's a loophole!
The animals in question:
"May be harmful “but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States.”"

So we get to keep our burgers and our cuddly wuddly furry media friendly pets and sources of income but not the icky slimy native wildlife eating reptiles and fuzzy but dangerouse pocket pets.

Note: I love livestock animals, alive and in my dinner. I love horses dogs and cats and don't want ANY species banned under this act. And as for pitbulls I've met sweeties and monsters; it all depends on how you raise them.

And chipping reptiles sounds like a good idea to me especially if they get shipped across state lines, you could keep a file associated with the number for breeding and medical purposes.

 

[Neill]

WOW!? How can you write something so vague!? That act is horrible in so many ways! I already sent in a message to my congressmen.

 

[stewy84]

OH as far as cow go, I have a scare on the right side of my nose from a cow, and you ever have a 1.5 ton bull chase you aceossed a feild? No gecko is going to ever make me run for my life like that, unless im getting a new one and runing is part of the deal. And I still have no grudge against cows or bulls. Heck last year a young bull took my dad down, he still milked cows that mornig so if it was that big of a deal the law would have been passed years ago.

 

[malik454]

whats the likelyhood of this happening very likely or not likely ive done my part though ive emailed congress men and sent out flyers in the petshops so yea likely or not likely to pass

 

[crotaphytidae]

We can only hope that it's not likely but it's still up in the air. I don't think anyone has a straight answer for your question yet.

 

[BGalloway]

I'd talk more about the broad implications of this bill but I only know livestock really well. My point was that cattle are non-native species, a lot of the breeds originated in Europe. Ditto for horses. And as I said they do have a negative impact on the environment and native wildlife. This bill is so short sighted and, from what I'm getting of the issue, is reacting to recent news about invasive species. They shouldn't make such a broad ban without considering the consequences and what really is a nonnative species. That loophole is completely insane as well, it depends on how much people are willing to spend to eradicate and regulate nonnative species, anything too expensive they'll just say, "oh well its too wide spread to matter".
This ban almost sounds like a joke, there are so many things wrong with it.

 

[SleepyDee]

From my understanding this bill is not just reptiles, but ALL non native animals (birds, rodents, fish except for goldfish, etc.) except for the safe animals like cats, dogs, horses, and a few others. I have my doubts that this'll pass if it does in fact cover all those animals not just reptiles. This bill, or whatever it is, would screw over a lot of people and businesses as well, not to mention they could destroy these animals (how is that humane?).

I've copied this over from the other thread

(5) NONNATIVE WILDLIFE SPECIES.—The term ‘‘nonnative wildlife species’’—
(A) except as provided in subparagraph
(C), means any live species or subspecies of animal that is not a native species or subspecies, whether or not born or raised in captivity;
(B) except as provided in subparagraph (C), includes—
(i) any such live, wild species or subspecies of mammal, bird, fish, reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and
(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or offspring
thereof;
(C) does not include any species that is—
(i) specifically defined or regulated as a plant pest or approved for biological control purposes under the Plant Protection Act (7 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.); or
(ii) defined or regulated as a threat to livestock or poultry under the Animal Health Protection Act (7 U.S.C. 8301 et seq.); and
(D) does not include any cat (Felis catus),
cattle or oxen (Bos taurus),
chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus),
dog (Canis lupus familiaris),
donkey or ass (Equus asinus),
domesticated members of the family Anatidae (geese),
duck (domesticated Anas spp.),
goat (Capra aegagrus hircus),
goldfish (Carassius auratus auratus),
horse (Equus caballus),
llama (Lama glama),
mule or hinny (Equus caballus x E. asinus),
pig or hog (Sus scrofa domestica),
domesticated varieties of rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus),
or sheep (Ovis aries), or any other species or variety of species that is determined by the Secretary to be common and clearly domesticated.

 

[JordanAng420]

Just to make it easier on everyone...here are the 6 other threads I found that are discussing this as well...
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=38509
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=38437
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=38654
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=38278
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=34855
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=34597

 

[Baoh]

This alarmism is as hilarious as the law is stupid.

 

[malik454]

what are u saying

 

[Daidra]

Hi you all I wanted to let you guys know that I don't think this will pass but I am doing some things just to make sure that it really won't,first off I emailed the congresswoman of guatamala who is trying to get it passed and also I emailed Dog The Bounty Hunter as I know he will help us and also the crongressman of Hawaii is trying to get it passed,I am doing my part so I hope everbody else will do there part.

 

[Khrysty]

first off I emailed the congresswoman of guatamala who is trying to get it passed

...what does the congresswoman of Guatemala have to do with a United States bill?

 

[Alusdra]

This bill does not bother me in that it is too strict, but that the precedence of linking importation to captive breeding is very dangerous! In just about all cases I would NOT want to see an animal put on the 'approved' list and then imported under awful conditions and driven to extinction in the wild. This could potentially be a huge blow to wildlife conservation in other countries.

For geckos, maybe balls, corn snakes probably, as well as many other species- you probably could get them put on the 'obviously domesticated' list (which already exempts dogs, cats and most farm animals). I mean, come on- a Diablo Blanco in the wild? No way. Leos have been bred for decades. And even if that didn't fly, how I understood the wording of the bill, before it gets enacted, there is a time where people can submit species to be on the 'approved' list prior to the fee being assessed.

The thing with the grandfathering that bothers me is, sure- if I keep my animals and never leave the state, that's fine. But what if I get a job in a different state, or want to visit my family for the holidays or something? I'll probably not get caught with my geckos, but if I do- would they seize and euthanize? (Like they already can and DO in some states like PA with Quaker parrots and CA with ferrets).

 

[Baoh]

The thing with the grandfathering that bothers me is, sure- if I keep my animals and never leave the state, that's fine. But what if I get a job in a different state, or want to visit my family for the holidays or something? I'll probably not get caught with my geckos, but if I do- would they seize and euthanize? (Like they already can and DO in some states like PA with Quaker parrots and CA with ferrets).

Perhaps there could be provisions and applications for a license to keep, much as there are for certain endangered species. Failing that, the onus would then be yours to make the choice between taking the risk and the consequences of that risk, choosing to not move/whatever, and/or choosing to rehome.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

** Since there were 2 separate threads on this topic, I merged the newest one with the oldest one so there would only be 1 thread. **

 

[Daidra]

I would like to know what the congresswoman of Guatamala has to do with it as well but I guess they will let anybody on any Bills now a days.

 

[Barbel]

I would like to know what the congresswoman of Guatamala has to do with it as well but I guess they will let anybody on any Bills now a days.

I don't know about Guatemala, but there is a woman from Guam that started all of this and really wants it to pass. Since Guam is a territory of the U.S., they get to help decide Bills as well. I don't know if the two countries got confused or if there is also someone from Guatemala.