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So far, no has broken the TOS in this thread so let's stop talking about why people are arguing and discuss the original topic. Side discussions should probably be continued in a new thread.
 
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If anyone has any questions on switching your Hovabator over or questions on the SIM please call me 541-891-0681 or email me at [email protected]. I've tested both products and no them both quite well. Peace and love people!
 
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I was going to keep out of the discussion, mostly because I was really enjoying all the opinions and some of the pros and cons presented. And I can't really add anything to the SIM and how it performs, because I haven't used it myself either.

But I will say this, because I believe it's very pertinent. I came up with my own method of incubating eggs above the substrate. The "system" (for lack of a better term) that I'm using doesn't allow the egg to move at all, unless it were to fall from a high surface or out of your hand. This being the first season that I've incubated my gecko eggs suspended above the substrate as apposed to 2/3 covered in substrate, I can tell you that this is the best my incubating eggs have EVER looked! I'm convinced Squamata Concept's product is based on a rock solid incubation model.

I've never used a Hovabator. But not because I thought they weren't worth the money. My reasoning was that I figured the concept is so simple, I can make my own. So that's what I did. And guess what? It's "bottom heated", and works just fine for the rather small number of leopard geckos I produce.

So that's my $0.02. Congrats on your product, Squamata Concepts, and best wishes for continued success.
 
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Sunrise Reptile said:
I was going to keep out of the discussion, mostly because I was really enjoying all the opinions and some of the pros and cons presented. And I can't really add anything to the SIM and how it performs, because I haven't used it myself either.

But I will say this, because I believe it's very pertinent. I came up with my own method of incubating eggs above the substrate. The "system" (for lack of a better term) that I'm using doesn't allow the egg to move at all, unless it were to fall from a high surface or out of your hand. This being the first season that I've incubated my gecko eggs suspended above the substrate as apposed to 2/3 covered in substrate, I can tell you that this is the best my incubating eggs have EVER looked! I'm convinced Squamata Concept's product is based on a rock solid incubation model.

I've never used a Hovabator. But not because I thought they weren't worth the money. My reasoning was that I figured the concept is so simple, I can make my own. So that's what I did. And guess what? It's "bottom heated", and works just fine for the rather small number of leopard geckos I produce.

So that's my $0.02. Congrats on your product, Squamata Concepts, and best wishes for continued success.
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maurice, may i ask how much of your container is filled with water, substrate, water crystals etc? and once the eggs are in what percentage of the container is left above the eggs? like how much air space between the eggs and lid? also how close is the grid to the substrate?
 
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The Glad container is 4" high. I use moist coco fiber with my method, and I'd judge it's just a bit on the damp side, but not so damp that you could squeeze much water out if any at all. Having taken some quick measurements, the substrate is 1.75" deep. The egg sits at a height of 2.75", or 1" above the substrate. And I'd judge that the egg is no more than .25" from the lid. I'd also like to add that there are no holes in the container.

And so as not to take away from the topic at hand, I'll be happy to answer any other questions via P.M. Now back to the original topic. :)
 
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Sunrise Reptile said:
The Glad container is 4" high. I use moist coco fiber with my method, and I'd judge it's just a bit on the damp side, but not so damp that you could squeeze much water out if any at all. Having taken some quick measurements, the substrate is 1.75" deep. The egg sits at a height of 2.75" above the substrate. And I'd judge that the egg is no more than .25" from the lid. I'd also like to add that there are no holes in the container.

And so as not to take away from the topic at hand, I'll be happy to answer any other questions via P.M. Now back to the original topic. :)
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thank you for answering :)
 
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This is just getting silly Robin...

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k gregg, you send me a SIM, i will dig out a hova, buy some pictus geckos to breed and i will give you my findings (i will also test it out in my current incubator as well).
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LOL... Sure, I will gift you a SIM after the way you have talked about my product in this thread... How about this??? Buy one like everyone else... I really do not need you to test it for me... Plenty of knowledgable breeders have already done so...

robin said:
i still think even though you have solved all of your problems (the problem being the hobavator :main_rolleyes:) you are still going to have some of the same issues, of course that's just my opinion.
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Think whatever you like... It does not make what you say true and you have nothing to back up what you are thinking... It has already been proven that the problem lies with the SIM inside the Hova... Max already pointed that out in this very thread... He took the SIM out of the hova and put it in a reptile incubator he made and everything turned around...

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tell me gregg if you were using deli cups (no matter the incubator) how much of the deli cup would you fill with your incubation medium? and once you do that and get the eggs in the medium how much room is left in the deli cup (from the eggs to the lid)? from my experience there is not a whole lot of room. definitely less than half since most people fill their deli cups up about 2/3 full of incubation medium. because there is less room it decreases the amount of extra air space.
get where i am going?
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Honestly Robin, I have never used deli cups to incubate eggs... I always used large glad containers... In all of my containers I alway made sure there was at least 2 inches of air space...

robin said:
i do not think one size of SIM is going to work for all eggs and i think either you need up raise up the area for the incubation medium (which will move the grid up too) which will decrease the amount of extra air space and in my opinion decrease the amount of egg denting.
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Again, you can believe what you like... The fact is it has worked with EVERY species tested or incubated on it so far... Data and photos from other breeders backs up our factual claim... Your thought are not correct... The only reports of dented eggs have been from Hovabator users... It has nothing to do with the SIM itself... Do you honestly think we just made up the dimentions of the container or the space between the grid and the lid or the substrate fill line??? There was a ton of work, testing, and research that went into creating the final design... Lets face it Robin, there are many species of reptile out there all with different eggs sizes... This is our first available size and as proven to work... Every thing from Pictus geckos to monitors and cornsnakes to pythons have hatched on this one size...

robin said:
i believe this will also change the way the SIM will work on a hova. this way you can work to make a solution for your hovabator users.
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Robin, you are being rediculous... I procuced a great product for serious breeders and hobby breeders alike... It is unfortunate that it is not working well in Hovabators... We were unaware of the issue because we were not using hovas to test our product and honestly many breeders do not use a hovabator...

robin said:
oh but the hovabator is a bird incubator and inferior. but your incubator is going to have bottom heat and is going to be superior in every way to the hova so no need to work to make something work with the hova , which you know most people on this forum uses.
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Exactly Robin... The Hova is a bird incubator... When you buy one, does it come with instructions to hatch reptile eggs or chicken eggs??? Is the expantion ring called a python ring or a goose ring???

And yes, our incubator will be superior to the Hova in every way... They will be heated from the bottom, there will be a real thermostat, not a waffer thermostat, and they will be much thicker so they will not be affected by outside temps as easily... There will also be a few hop-up options available...

robin said:
dang now i have to buy a new incubator so i can use a SIM too :main_rolleyes:
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No, you dont... This will just be an option for people... Not everyone has to use the SIM and not everyone will need to change incubators... These are products that will upgrade incubation set ups... The incubator we will be offering will be a huge step up from a Hovabator and the SIM is a different way of incubating eggs rather than using deli cups and setting eggs in substrates...

Who knows, down the road we may design a third SIM container but right now our priority is to get our incubators constructed and ready for sale, continue producing the current size and to get our double sized container out before summer hits...

robin said:
p.s. i do not how you can call a wine chiller a proper or professional reptile egg incubator
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I admit, they are not a super professional COMMERCIAL incubators but they are superior to the Hovabator in many ways..
 
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