Is there still a market for "Classic" morphs?
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Before I bought my gecko, I was actually hoping to find a "normal", high-yellow, or leucistic. They are the more simpler leos, yet to me they're the most attractive. I think its a real shame that these are becoming rarer in the hobby among the sea of fancy-shmancy morphs. I hope to one day talk my significant other into allowing to get a "normal" or high-yellow friend for my SHTCT female.
If I were to ever breed, I'd definitely get a normal pair and just do it on a small, local scale.
If I were to ever breed, I'd definitely get a normal pair and just do it on a small, local scale.
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Marcia, I think you bring up some excellent questions. Honestly, I feel personally that you should breed what you like, not just what the market fancies at the moment. I can't tell you how many requests I get for "normal" leopard geckos, as well as straight blizzards, etc!! If you breed what makes you happy, and you can still sell out every year, then you are doing the right thing for you. :main_yes:
I really appreciate that you do your "head homework" about this stuff, but I think that what you do and the way you do it is awesome - you don't need to change to make others' happy. You need to make sure you follow your own heart, and the rest will follow. Seriously.
Honestly, I feel personally that you should breed what you like, not just what the market fancies at the moment. I can't tell you how many requests I get for "normal" leopard geckos, as well as straight blizzards, etc!! If you breed what makes you happy, and you can still sell out every year, then you are doing the right thing for you. :main_yes:I really appreciate that you do your "head homework" about this stuff, but I think that what you do and the way you do it is awesome - you don't need to change to make others' happy. You need to make sure you follow your own heart, and the rest will follow. Seriously.
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I love the combo morphs, but when I expand my rack system I intend to try and find some good examples of the subspecies for my collection. I breed on a relatively small scale, but after giving it some thought I consider myself primarily a collector. To date most of the offspring from my pairings are for my own enjoyment and won't be sold. I don't want to undercut anyone when I do sell some off. I have a tremendous respect for all of the breeders I've dealt with, and I'm very grateful to all of them for the treasures they have bestowed upon me. I've learned a lot from all of them. At this point I have in my collection the genes to make almost any morph I'd like to, but for some I payed a hefty price only to see them made available not long after at half of what I paid. That made me a bit mad, but I guess that's the nature of the business. It is hard to decide the fair market value of Leos, things are always changing. I love the "classics" just as much as the combos, for opposite reasons.
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I was just going to leave this one with out my opinion. But I feel there is a need to say something about this. What I am about to say is just my view on things right now.
First off Marcia I do believe there is always room for every morph and combo of everything. I don’t think that the “classics” are dieing. i think it is just the oppisit. I do think there is a lot of geckos on the market, but I don’t believe its is because of the big breeders. I think that the new combos get a lot more attention then the “classics” . But I don’t believe that that makes them any more unwanted. I personally would love to have some pure Murphy patternless and pure blizzards. If anything I think you could charge more for them right now because of the fact that a lot of the geckos on the market are a mix match of different genetic traits. This is also why we wanted to get pure subspecies. So we could get new blood and make “pure” morphs.
As far as the breeders hatching out 20,000 geckos a year. Only 4 places do or come close to producing that many geckos a year. I wish I could name them just for the sake of making my point. 2 have their own strain of albino, one has a line of snow, and one deals more with frozen mice and rats. Of the 4, only one really advertises morphs. That one is not know to be a market crasher. If anything I think he tries to keep the price up. I also think he can sell snow to Eskimos. IMO That is the big 4 in the US that supply the pets stores with geckos. I don’t think they are the ones that hurt the market. I think what hurts the market is the amount of “morph breeders”, not so much the breeders that hatch 20,000 geckos a year. The 4 breeders that hatch “20,000” geckos hatch out for the most part “normals” or “wild type”. Some of them do hatch out patties, blizzards, low grade tangs, and albinos (bell and Tremper). but they are all of your big pet chain store geckos.
“Morph Breeder” I think is where the problem may start. When some one sees the price tag of say the enigmas when they first came out. People see that and say "well I can do that", and I can make money hand over fist. IMO the enigma was a big part in the down fall or the market and it should teach us something. When the enigma came out I was excited, like the rest of the gecko community, by the things that could be done with the new exciting morph that seamed to take everything we knew and turn it upside down. a lot of people jumped in seeing $$. No one knew though how many people really bought enigmas and what they were going to do with them. It was kind of like skating on thin ice. Every one knew that all you needed was one male and you could make as many enigmas as you wanted. I believe that is what killed it. So many new breeders jumping in. hatching more then what could sell in the market. Its not just one breeder it’s the collective sum of all the smaller scale breeders. I believe that a lot of people think some breeders breed more then they actually do. Because of this, it causes other breeders to breed more with the thought that if they make more they can sell cheaper and still make the same from the amount that they hatch. This mentality is so wrong. The only thing that is dose is lowering of the price and makes more geckos then the market can handle.
Also a hug part of the “gecko market” is the US economy. Times are tough all over the country. No one is spending money on things that they don’t need. Geckos fall into that. The last two shows that I have done in the US proves this. It wasn’t just me but all of the other gecko breeders said the same thing "the worst shows that we have ever done". People are just not spending money on extra things.
Me as a “morph breeder”. I breed combos because that is what I like to do. I like plaing mad scientist mixing and mixing just to see what it will make. The more I mix the more it comes out the same “White geckos with red eyes” Hashanah. Which has caused me to do some things a little different this year. There are still lines that I want to work on with crossing and making the ultimate combo gecko with every thing in it. But with it causes a lot of “by products” and geckos that are multiple hets, And I don’t believe that the market need more of these geckos right now so a lot of projects have been put on hold. Also high priced stuff like Mack raptor enigmas (aka Dreamsickle) are being put on the back burner as well. More of the focus this year will be put on out crossing and purification of the things that I am already working on. Better color, better bloodlines (using subspecies) and just better geckos. I believe there was a big focus on being the first on the enigma crosses. Whether it was for to see what it looks like or the ego or what ever the reasoning for trying to be the first, it is a healthy for the community to have the new combos and morphs. It is what brings attention to the Hobby. I will agree that a lot of combos came really really fast in the last year. I’m sure it just confused people because in one year there were twice as many combos on the market. I also believe that because of the combos it brought more people into Leopard Geckos and when they see the “normals” they like them better and then it brings us back to the start, like a full circle.
Marcia I think you should breed what you like. I feel that everyone can breed what they want. I believe there is a piece of the pie for us all. Over time we all kind of fall into what we like. Marcia is know for her bolds and her patties. Kelli known for her bells. Albey and TUG for their Tangs. Dan and Jeremy for there work with the Rainwaters (which I am sad to see maybe not for long). Alberto for his work with combos. Ron for being the guy that started most of the craze with leopards. All of these people I look up to in great regard for the work that they have done for the morphs that they loved.
I think that when the US economy turns back around so will the “gecko market” until then I think its going to weed out some people. I believe that that the people that will be left will the ones that really love doing this. Unfortunately I do see the market having at least one more bad year. Put I think it will be good for the hobby. Some times when there is to much in the forest, it takes a fire to wipe it all out, so it can start new. In the end it will all sort it self out.
First off Marcia I do believe there is always room for every morph and combo of everything. I don’t think that the “classics” are dieing. i think it is just the oppisit. I do think there is a lot of geckos on the market, but I don’t believe its is because of the big breeders. I think that the new combos get a lot more attention then the “classics” . But I don’t believe that that makes them any more unwanted. I personally would love to have some pure Murphy patternless and pure blizzards. If anything I think you could charge more for them right now because of the fact that a lot of the geckos on the market are a mix match of different genetic traits. This is also why we wanted to get pure subspecies. So we could get new blood and make “pure” morphs.
As far as the breeders hatching out 20,000 geckos a year. Only 4 places do or come close to producing that many geckos a year. I wish I could name them just for the sake of making my point. 2 have their own strain of albino, one has a line of snow, and one deals more with frozen mice and rats. Of the 4, only one really advertises morphs. That one is not know to be a market crasher. If anything I think he tries to keep the price up. I also think he can sell snow to Eskimos. IMO That is the big 4 in the US that supply the pets stores with geckos. I don’t think they are the ones that hurt the market. I think what hurts the market is the amount of “morph breeders”, not so much the breeders that hatch 20,000 geckos a year. The 4 breeders that hatch “20,000” geckos hatch out for the most part “normals” or “wild type”. Some of them do hatch out patties, blizzards, low grade tangs, and albinos (bell and Tremper). but they are all of your big pet chain store geckos.
“Morph Breeder” I think is where the problem may start. When some one sees the price tag of say the enigmas when they first came out. People see that and say "well I can do that", and I can make money hand over fist. IMO the enigma was a big part in the down fall or the market and it should teach us something. When the enigma came out I was excited, like the rest of the gecko community, by the things that could be done with the new exciting morph that seamed to take everything we knew and turn it upside down. a lot of people jumped in seeing $$. No one knew though how many people really bought enigmas and what they were going to do with them. It was kind of like skating on thin ice. Every one knew that all you needed was one male and you could make as many enigmas as you wanted. I believe that is what killed it. So many new breeders jumping in. hatching more then what could sell in the market. Its not just one breeder it’s the collective sum of all the smaller scale breeders. I believe that a lot of people think some breeders breed more then they actually do. Because of this, it causes other breeders to breed more with the thought that if they make more they can sell cheaper and still make the same from the amount that they hatch. This mentality is so wrong. The only thing that is dose is lowering of the price and makes more geckos then the market can handle.
Also a hug part of the “gecko market” is the US economy. Times are tough all over the country. No one is spending money on things that they don’t need. Geckos fall into that. The last two shows that I have done in the US proves this. It wasn’t just me but all of the other gecko breeders said the same thing "the worst shows that we have ever done". People are just not spending money on extra things.
Me as a “morph breeder”. I breed combos because that is what I like to do. I like plaing mad scientist mixing and mixing just to see what it will make. The more I mix the more it comes out the same “White geckos with red eyes” Hashanah. Which has caused me to do some things a little different this year. There are still lines that I want to work on with crossing and making the ultimate combo gecko with every thing in it. But with it causes a lot of “by products” and geckos that are multiple hets, And I don’t believe that the market need more of these geckos right now so a lot of projects have been put on hold. Also high priced stuff like Mack raptor enigmas (aka Dreamsickle) are being put on the back burner as well. More of the focus this year will be put on out crossing and purification of the things that I am already working on. Better color, better bloodlines (using subspecies) and just better geckos. I believe there was a big focus on being the first on the enigma crosses. Whether it was for to see what it looks like or the ego or what ever the reasoning for trying to be the first, it is a healthy for the community to have the new combos and morphs. It is what brings attention to the Hobby. I will agree that a lot of combos came really really fast in the last year. I’m sure it just confused people because in one year there were twice as many combos on the market. I also believe that because of the combos it brought more people into Leopard Geckos and when they see the “normals” they like them better and then it brings us back to the start, like a full circle.
Marcia I think you should breed what you like. I feel that everyone can breed what they want. I believe there is a piece of the pie for us all. Over time we all kind of fall into what we like. Marcia is know for her bolds and her patties. Kelli known for her bells. Albey and TUG for their Tangs. Dan and Jeremy for there work with the Rainwaters (which I am sad to see maybe not for long). Alberto for his work with combos. Ron for being the guy that started most of the craze with leopards. All of these people I look up to in great regard for the work that they have done for the morphs that they loved.
I think that when the US economy turns back around so will the “gecko market” until then I think its going to weed out some people. I believe that that the people that will be left will the ones that really love doing this. Unfortunately I do see the market having at least one more bad year. Put I think it will be good for the hobby. Some times when there is to much in the forest, it takes a fire to wipe it all out, so it can start new. In the end it will all sort it self out.
Golden Gate Geckos said:
I agree that the base mutations should be keep pure to some extent. I especially want a pure rainwater! However, I don’t think it’s wrong to produce high end combo morphs. I think a lot of them are beautiful looking geckos.
Golden Gate Geckos said:
I think there is a market for classic morphs, and if I had more room I think I’d keep more. But I almost think for proving out a 10-tratit combo morphs, that all you have to use is combo morphs that you know have the genes, it’d definetly take less time if you’re testing out 3 genes in a pairing rather than 1! But, like I said before, I think it’s important to keep some base mutations pure.
Slager said:
They still have the price tag but… http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/available_wildcaughts.htm
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in my opinion people should continue with the classics. They are the base "product" for making a combo and these days its hard to find a pure gecko. I really like the basic geckos like the Bolds, Blizz and patty's. So yes I think you should continue with your work, because people are going to want to "start all over" with some clean genetic geckos and with out people like you there wouldn't be a place to get them.
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i completely agree with marcia and sasobek, what you experience, is also happening in europe, to many people are breeding (caling themselves breeders),and have fancy websites (i haven't updated my websiet in a long time, because i spend all my time with the animals). i have been breeding leos for some years now, and have never produced an exciting new morph, my idea is always keep the lines pure. we have pure F1 leos, and we keep them CLEAN, we have sold many F1 fasciolatus to the States, and you all have done amazing things with them, but i keep them CLEAN, we have some old bloodlines from patty, and blizzard, and we keep them CLEAN. i was able to get a few breedinggroups from a breeder that was quiting, and they are also OLD bloodlines, and i will keep them CLEAN. of course we use babies from those lines to make new lines, but the base should be strong. from last season we kept back lots of our F1 macularius and F1 fasciolatus, and going to cross them we a few wildcaught males, so we have garuanteed strong lines. i off course also breed the combo's, but nothing as fancy as you breed you're morphs in the states. lucky for me, i didn't get into enigma to soon, but a lot of people did, and are now facing the coniquence. to many people just see dollar/euro signs in their eyes. and i have seen it happening.
people that also thought, that breeding leos was just fun,and good money, they started breeding and within 1 year, they had an amazing collection, and bred amazing animasl, but after a while, it became a drag(good word?).
instead of WANTING to take care of the animals they HAD to take care of the animals. so within 1 year, every thing was gone again.
also lots of new breeders, just see, what coming IN, they don't realise, whats going OUT.
when they then find out how much everthing costs, they try to cut on their costs, with is never good for the animals, and then they try to sell the animals a.s.a.p.
but with the economy now a days, it does not metter how low yuo make you're prices, people don't NEED it. so if you go to a show, it does not help to try to sell you're ENIGMA for 75euro/dollar.
i hope we will go back to the time, that people start KEEPING a leopardgecko, instead of keeping a leopardgecko for breeding or profit (or any other reptile, because what happens to the leo now, also goes for almost any other reptile)
so i also agree with sasobek, that this situation is gooed for the hobby, and put a lot of people straight, about what it means to be a reptile-breeder
people that also thought, that breeding leos was just fun,and good money, they started breeding and within 1 year, they had an amazing collection, and bred amazing animasl, but after a while, it became a drag(good word?).
instead of WANTING to take care of the animals they HAD to take care of the animals. so within 1 year, every thing was gone again.
also lots of new breeders, just see, what coming IN, they don't realise, whats going OUT.
when they then find out how much everthing costs, they try to cut on their costs, with is never good for the animals, and then they try to sell the animals a.s.a.p.
but with the economy now a days, it does not metter how low yuo make you're prices, people don't NEED it. so if you go to a show, it does not help to try to sell you're ENIGMA for 75euro/dollar.
i hope we will go back to the time, that people start KEEPING a leopardgecko, instead of keeping a leopardgecko for breeding or profit (or any other reptile, because what happens to the leo now, also goes for almost any other reptile)
so i also agree with sasobek, that this situation is gooed for the hobby, and put a lot of people straight, about what it means to be a reptile-breeder
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Personally, I love normals. The gecko in my avatar was sort of depressing me, actually, because I thought for a while that she was as 'normal' as I was ever going to see again. When I adopted my two 15+ year old classic normals I was so happy. As others have said it was like a breath of fresh air.
My interest in geckos is strictly as a pet owner. I choose geckos based on personality, first. And if I ever buy another one (rather than adopting) then I would get one from a breeder that breeds for love of the species. It's like getting any other sort of pet- do you want a dog from a puppy mill or from a hobby breeder that focuses on health and temperament?
I say keep breeding what you want to, as many as you feel you can properly care for and find new homes.
My interest in geckos is strictly as a pet owner. I choose geckos based on personality, first. And if I ever buy another one (rather than adopting) then I would get one from a breeder that breeds for love of the species. It's like getting any other sort of pet- do you want a dog from a puppy mill or from a hobby breeder that focuses on health and temperament?
I say keep breeding what you want to, as many as you feel you can properly care for and find new homes.
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I'm not 100% for certain, but I believe it has in recent years become illegal to obtain wild caught leos in afghanistan and or pakistan. So chances of getting a wild caught leo are very slim.
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I totally love the classics in fact that was the first morph I owned, I got him many years ago when the proper care for them was not fully understood, and we used sand, and temps were not fully understood what was best. But I will always have a strain of normals because in my opinion if we dont they will go extinct like the dino. I also think in order to survive in the market it will take the skill to adapt to new and up and coming morphs just like it is in any job or field, the people who cannot adapt to the changeing world of the market will not survive. So that said I think its important to be open minded about all new morphs and people trying to unlock the genetics and also we do need to keep the Normals around, Classics are classics and theres always going to be a market for them. I beleive just like theres a market for classic cars, there will be a market for the classic geckos. They are nostalgic, and they definately are needed for out crossing, and I think as long as there is geckos there is always going to be a classic around, there still are some people who appreciate all morphs for the beauty each one brings to the table and I'm sure there always will be. I will always be in search of wild caughts, normals, for the sheer fact of new blood and for the nostalgia of it. I just love having my few normals in my collection and could not imagine it without them same with my patties and blizzards, though I do not over breed these guys I do breed them for my own purposes cause like you said the market gets way to flooded with over breeding of morphs and it really is sad but its the nature of the beast, and only those who can adapt will survive, with 14 years in this bizz you definately know that, and have done great at adapting, I believe you should go with your gut Marcia if you like classics and want to try the market out on how well they will Do. Run with who knows you could start a new fad and the classic could be on an uprise, Who really knows. Good luck, I know how sad it is to see a beatiful thing just fade away so I hope someone rescues the classic. And I think if any one could do it you definately could. There are people who will buy them. Thanks for the great post Marcia,
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WOW. This thread is really getting interesting! Thank you all soooo much for your posts, emails, and PM's... this is a good, thought-provoking subject.
I would like to elaborate somewhat on my original post. I am utterly fascinated with all the 'new' combination morphs that are being created today. I never in my wildest dreams 10 years ago imagined that we would have so many fascincating and interesting morph combinations today. When someone comes up with the 'first' of something, I am amazed. I am also truly excited and happy for for them! But, in all honesty, I am a little envious, too. Sometimes I wish I wasn't physically limited and had the resources to be able to 'create' something unique and new. But I can't, and never will. I must say, that after a very heartbreaking season, I am truly OK with the gecko morphs I love and work with.
What spawned this thread was... I have been thinking a lot about my place here in the leopard gecko community. I have done a lot of soul-searching, and have seriously considered simply fazing out into oblivion, and giving up Golden Gate Geckos. Kind of like 'getting out while you're ahead'. There is no way I can compete with the 'morph-makers' in this business! But then, I started soul-searching and asked myself if that was really what I wanted to do, and it has been truly a struggle for me to come up with an answer... except "Why do I feel like I NEED to compete?"
One of the most exciting parts of being a Leopard Gecko breeder is the thrill of every egg that hatches... to see what the season's pairings have produced! I can honestly say, that if I weren't physically challenged, and had more time and space, I would be a mad scientist too! I am in utter awe of the creations that we see now with these beautiful, gentle creatures we ALL love so much.
But it was when I was cleaning and feeding the other night when I took out 'POPS'... the original R2 Bold Stripe male that is well over 10 years old now, and held him against my chest when I began to cry. I was talking to him saying, "Oh, buddy! You are the first AND the last one!" Then I took out Louie, another old guy... an original Blizzard Lizard, and began to sob like a baby. All I could think of is, 'you are the LAST ones! When you are gone, there will be no more'. Then I took out my Pattys, and then my Tremper albinos (that aren't het for RAPTOR!) and felt this overwhelming sense of fear.
There aren't many Trempers out there anymore that aren't het for RAPTOR. There aren't any (white) Blizzards left that are not tainted with albino genes. There are very few Murphy patternless anymore that are not het for albino. There are no more Rainwater albinos that are not het for patternless or crossed with redstripes. I feel an overwhelming sense of grief... a sense of total loss for these 'old school' morphs. Do they have any "value" anymore?
What IS value? Is it how much a gecko costs? Is it how rare it is that makes it have value? Is it the value we have in our hearts for these 'old-school' morphs that pioneered the gecko industry as we see it today? Perhaps is it all of the above.
I am at a crossroad here. I know these geckos are of value to me. Sure, I want to make money breeding, raising, and selling geckos! There is no crime in getting paid for what you work hard for. But what is the REAL cost when these pure, genetic, 'Classics' are no more? What is the cost when we no longer have any pure Rainwaters, Patternless, and Blizzards?
I would like to see a balance. There is room for all of us. I love to see all of these "pink morphs with unusual eyes" that even their breeders aren't sure what they are! But, when I take out my "old school", pure genetic Classics... it brings tears to my eyes. I would hate to see them be only of enough 'value' to live out their days here with the Mean Old Gecko Lady until they are no more.
I would like to elaborate somewhat on my original post. I am utterly fascinated with all the 'new' combination morphs that are being created today. I never in my wildest dreams 10 years ago imagined that we would have so many fascincating and interesting morph combinations today. When someone comes up with the 'first' of something, I am amazed. I am also truly excited and happy for for them! But, in all honesty, I am a little envious, too. Sometimes I wish I wasn't physically limited and had the resources to be able to 'create' something unique and new. But I can't, and never will. I must say, that after a very heartbreaking season, I am truly OK with the gecko morphs I love and work with.
What spawned this thread was... I have been thinking a lot about my place here in the leopard gecko community. I have done a lot of soul-searching, and have seriously considered simply fazing out into oblivion, and giving up Golden Gate Geckos. Kind of like 'getting out while you're ahead'. There is no way I can compete with the 'morph-makers' in this business! But then, I started soul-searching and asked myself if that was really what I wanted to do, and it has been truly a struggle for me to come up with an answer... except "Why do I feel like I NEED to compete?"
One of the most exciting parts of being a Leopard Gecko breeder is the thrill of every egg that hatches... to see what the season's pairings have produced! I can honestly say, that if I weren't physically challenged, and had more time and space, I would be a mad scientist too! I am in utter awe of the creations that we see now with these beautiful, gentle creatures we ALL love so much.
But it was when I was cleaning and feeding the other night when I took out 'POPS'... the original R2 Bold Stripe male that is well over 10 years old now, and held him against my chest when I began to cry. I was talking to him saying, "Oh, buddy! You are the first AND the last one!" Then I took out Louie, another old guy... an original Blizzard Lizard, and began to sob like a baby. All I could think of is, 'you are the LAST ones! When you are gone, there will be no more'. Then I took out my Pattys, and then my Tremper albinos (that aren't het for RAPTOR!) and felt this overwhelming sense of fear.
There aren't many Trempers out there anymore that aren't het for RAPTOR. There aren't any (white) Blizzards left that are not tainted with albino genes. There are very few Murphy patternless anymore that are not het for albino. There are no more Rainwater albinos that are not het for patternless or crossed with redstripes. I feel an overwhelming sense of grief... a sense of total loss for these 'old school' morphs. Do they have any "value" anymore?
What IS value? Is it how much a gecko costs? Is it how rare it is that makes it have value? Is it the value we have in our hearts for these 'old-school' morphs that pioneered the gecko industry as we see it today? Perhaps is it all of the above.
I am at a crossroad here. I know these geckos are of value to me. Sure, I want to make money breeding, raising, and selling geckos! There is no crime in getting paid for what you work hard for. But what is the REAL cost when these pure, genetic, 'Classics' are no more? What is the cost when we no longer have any pure Rainwaters, Patternless, and Blizzards?
I would like to see a balance. There is room for all of us. I love to see all of these "pink morphs with unusual eyes" that even their breeders aren't sure what they are! But, when I take out my "old school", pure genetic Classics... it brings tears to my eyes. I would hate to see them be only of enough 'value' to live out their days here with the Mean Old Gecko Lady until they are no more.
Plane and simple, Its harder to find these "CLASSIC" morphs with no hets. And once they're gone they're gone. I did a search for a few of these "CLASSICS" morphs Nieves tangerine, blizzard, Murphy patternless and normals all (Het nothing) and I only found a small few.
So to answer your question Marcia, YES there's definitely a market for these pure "classic" morphs. And I totally agree Matt that the price of these "classics" needs to be higher do to they're limited numbers available.
So to answer your question Marcia, YES there's definitely a market for these pure "classic" morphs. And I totally agree Matt that the price of these "classics" needs to be higher do to they're limited numbers available.
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maybe this will spawn people out there to maybe take a year or two to outcross their morphs and get back to the genetic basics. i'm no professional but i'm sure there has to be a way from breeding out different traits just like there is a way to breed in traits. maybe that could be a niche for someone. to provide strong blood lines that aren't "tainted" with other genetic traits.
am i wrong in my thinking if you can put in you can take out?
am i wrong in my thinking if you can put in you can take out?
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