living space housing etc.

[sleepyjones]

As a suggestion for a cheap, in-fitting with the tank layout, hide you could simply use a container of some sort, and cover that with any excess repti-carpet that you probably have.
It'll also give Aladar something extra to climb on.

I notice in the last pic you have a toilet roll tube in there, maybe cut that in half (length way), so there's plenty of room for Aladar to move about in there, then cover that with carpet. That'd make a good hide, and you could also cover it up a bit with the plants to disguise it a bit more.

 

[b16hatch]

i sure will thanx. we just got back from the pet store agian. lol and got a infrared light. so well see what happens

 

[b16hatch]

so this is how we have it set up now on the right i have a damp towel with the bold box over top(it work for now??) lol and its getting up to 96.4 on the floor on the hot side and 80 on the cold side should the damp house be on the hot or doesnt matter becuse there still heat heating it up either way?

 

[2bacop]

It should be on the hot side

 

[b16hatch]

swaped i just moved the towel over

 

[Gregg M]

The temperature that you're reading is ambient temperature though (air temperature) and is rather unimportant to leos. The important temperature to look for is belly temperature, since that is where they spend all of their time.

Are you kidding??? Where did you get your info???

Like with most reptiles, your ambient air temp is just as important as your basking spot temps... In some cases it is almost more important...

Your gecko should not be spending all of its time on a hot spot...
The whole belly heat thing is rediculous and it is false to say that they need belly heat... Half of my racks are back heated... Guess what??? No belly heat...

Here are some facts for you...
"Belly heat" does not aid in digestion... Core temperature does...
At rest a reptiles core temp should be between 85 and 87 degrees... They should not be spending too much time basking... You want your basking temps to be pretty hot... No lower than the mid 90's... This way your leo will bask for a very short period of time in order to get their core temp up...

Basking for long periods of time on seemingly low temps can cause many problems including burns...

Your ambient air temps will help your leo maintain their core temp without having to bask constantly... Your cool side and ambient air temps should not be any lower than 80 degrees... It would be better if they were in the low to mid 80's...

Please, do not spread false info, especially to new keepers... Ambient air temp is very important to most, if not all reptiles...

 

[Fallupinreverse]

Are you kidding??? Where did you get your info???

Like with most reptiles, your ambient air temp is just as important as your basking spot temps... In some cases it is almost more important...

Your gecko should not be spending all of its time on a hot spot...
The whole belly heat thing is rediculous and it is false to say that they need belly heat... Half of my racks are back heated... Guess what??? No belly heat...

Here are some facts for you...
"Belly heat" does not aid in digestion... Core temperature does...
At rest a reptiles core temp should be between 85 and 87 degrees... They should not be spending too much time basking... You want your basking temps to be pretty hot... No lower than the mid 90's... This way your leo will bask for a very short period of time in order to get their core temp up...

Basking for long periods of time on seemingly low temps can cause many problems including burns...

Your ambient air temps will help your leo maintain their core temp without having to bask constantly... Your cool side and ambient air temps should not be any lower than 80 degrees... It would be better if they were in the low to mid 80's...

Please, do not spread false info, especially to new keepers... Ambient air temp is very important to most, if not all reptiles...

Just because you think something does not make it fact. Many will agree with me that ambient air temp is not as important as surface temp for leos and reptiles in general. When you are taking temperatures where do you put the probe? Do you leave it hanging in the air? If ambient temperature was the important temperature then thermometers with probes would not be so widely suggested. If belly heat is not important then why does most everyone agree that UTHs are far superior to heat lamps?

The fact of the matter is: I'm talking about ground dwelling reptiles. Ground dwelling reptiles' most important temperature is on the ground. It's quite a simple idea actually. If you have a handle on the ground temperature then your ambient temperatures will almost certainly be adequate for whatever digestion or any other function that your reptile will need.

Do not be so quick to judge my information as false, just because you do not agree with it.

 

[Gregg M]

Just because you think something does not make it fact. Many will agree with me that ambient air temp is not as important as surface temp for leos and reptiles in general.

Actually you seem to have your "facts" mixed up a bit... What I "think" is based on 20+ years of keeping and breeding numerous reptile species from frogs to venomous snakes from all continents successfully... And on top of that, working with other breeders and keepers who have been at this for much longer...

Lets just look at the infamous "winter slow down"... When ambient air temps drop, reptiles stop feeding... You could have the same "belly heat" all year, they will still stop feeding when ambient air temps are low... It is a fact...

Once ambient air temps rise, they start eating again... This is also a fact... The basking temp can be in the mid 90's but this does not mean the ambient air temps will be what it should be in order for your reptile to maintain its optimal core temp...

Now when your ambient air temps are stable and optimal all year, your animals WILL NOT GO OFF FEED... That is also a fact...

When you are taking temperatures where do you put the probe? Do you leave it hanging in the air? If ambient temperature was the important temperature then thermometers with probes would not be so widely suggested. If belly heat is not important then why does most everyone agree that UTHs are far superior to heat lamps?

When I check temps I check hot side floor temps, cool side floor temps, hot side ambient temps and cool side ambient temps... People who use only probes to check temps might want to consider using an infrared thermometer either in conjunction with or in place of probes... Just using a probe to check your temps is a beginner mistake...

UTHs are not superior to heat lamps... It all depends on your application and in some cases both being used together is suggested to raise your AMBIENT AIR TEMPS... Anyone who actually knows anything about actual reptilian physiology will tell you that belly heat is NOT responsable for digestion...

Being that reptiles are cold blooded they can not metabolize their intake on their own... They need the heat from their environment to raise their core temps in order to metabolize their food... With low ambient air temps, they can not maintain their proper core temp and will not be able to metabolize what they have eaten... This is why reptiles "shut down" when the ambient air temps drop....

If you think "belly heat" is so important, explain why back heated racks (no belly heat) work just as well if not better than belly heated racks...

The fact of the matter is: I'm talking about ground dwelling reptiles. Ground dwelling reptiles' most important temperature is on the ground. It's quite a simple idea actually. If you have a handle on the ground temperature then your ambient temperatures will almost certainly be adequate for whatever digestion or any other function that your reptile will need.

Again, this is untrue... The sun could be baking the ground raising ground temps up to the mid 80's but the ambient air temp is only 50 degrees, how many active reptiles do you think you will find??? I am going to say none... Even in North America, most reptiles do not surface until the air temps are over 70 degrees for an extended period of time... It has nothing to do with the ground surface temps... So like I have explained, because ground or surface temps may be in the proper range it does not automatically mean the the ambient air temps will be in the proper range...

Do not be so quick to judge my information as false, just because you do not agree with it.

I can assure you that anyone who actually knows how reptiles truely function would disagree with your info and tell you how wrong it really is...

 

[GeckoGathering]

GECKO WORLD

Like with most reptiles, your ambient air temp is just as important as your basking spot temps... In some cases it is almost more important...

Your gecko should not be spending all of its time on a hot spot...
The whole belly heat thing is rediculous and it is false to say that they need belly heat... Half of my racks are back heated... Guess what??? No belly heat...

Here are some facts for you...
"Belly heat" does not aid in digestion... Core temperature does...
At rest a reptiles core temp should be between 85 and 87 degrees... They should not be spending too much time basking... You want your basking temps to be pretty hot... No lower than the mid 90's... This way your leo will bask for a very short period of time in order to get their core temp up...

Basking for long periods of time on seemingly low temps can cause many problems including burns...

Your ambient air temps will help your leo maintain their core temp without having to bask constantly... Your cool side and ambient air temps should not be any lower than 80 degrees... It would be better if they were in the low to mid 80's...

Please, do not spread false info, especially to new keepers... Ambient air temp is very important to most, if not all reptiles...

Gregg, great piece of Information.
Your knowledge from years of experience and
taking your time out for sharing it should be praised.
But I find some still fish with TNT.
Take care Rock Star.
HJ

 

[Gregg M]

HJ,
Thankyou for your kind and supportive post... The way it works here is if I put out solid info and someone does not agree, all I can do is roll with the punches and back my info up... Anyone who reads my posts can either take my info or leave it... Whats that saying???
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink...

Thanks again...

Oh, for the original poster, your humid hide should be on the cooler end because you want your leo to us it ONLY for shedding... You do not want to make the humid hide inviting enough for it to spend lots of time in it...

 

[Darth Eublepharis]

Being right one thing but being a jerk about it is a whole other situation. I've read many of your posts and have to say, right or wrong, I'd be afraid to take your advice simply because you come across like a 'know it all'...in my neck of the woods, we ignore people like that.

Try starting your posts by being nicer. I mean, come on...your first post was a jab at someone. Just nicely tell someone they're not right and explain why...a little less mean. Not everyone cares how long you've done something....It's all about presence dude.

 

[Khrysty]

Being right one thing but being a jerk about it is a whole other situation. I've read many of your posts and have to say, right or wrong, I'd be afraid to take your advice simply because you come across like a 'know it all'...in my neck of the woods, we ignore people like that.

Try starting your posts by being nicer. I mean, come on...your first post was a jab at someone. Just nicely tell someone they're not right and explain why...a little less mean. Not everyone cares how long you've done something....It's all about presence dude.

:main_yes::main_thumbsup:

EDIT:
Gregg, this isn't an attack on you on my part. I just wanted to let you know that you do tend to come off as a little harsh. I respect your opinion, your education, and your knowledge, but the way you present it can be a little standoffish. Just consider toning it down a little for us, ok? Maybe instead of the "anybody who's anybody knows this" attitude you give off, you can site us some sources or something? Just a thought.

 

[Gregg M]

Tell you what... Lets go to the "fight club" with this... I will start the post... I want to keep the drama off the main board...

 

[Khrysty]

Tell you what... Lets go to the "fight club" with this... I will start the post... I want to keep the drama off the main board...

Sounds good to me. Like I said, Gregg, I respect your view but it's one I've never heard before and one that contradicts everything I've heard. I just want to see your sources.

 

[Gregg M]

Sounds good to me. Like I said, Gregg, I respect your view but it's one I've never heard before and one that contradicts everything I've heard. I just want to see your sources.

Khrysty, you are not in the line of fire... LOL... But if you have a question in particular, I will be happy to answer it...

 

[LizMarie]

Gregg stop scaring away the newbies!

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Being right one thing but being a jerk about it is a whole other situation. I've read many of your posts and have to say, right or wrong, I'd be afraid to take your advice simply because you come across like a 'know it all'...in my neck of the woods, we ignore people like that.

Try starting your posts by being nicer. I mean, come on...your first post was a jab at someone. Just nicely tell someone they're not right and explain why...a little less mean. Not everyone cares how long you've done something....It's all about presence dude.

A couple things. For starters, your first post could have been better spent introducing yourself, rather than marching in like "big brother" to protect somebody who obviously doesn't have a firm grip on what he's talking about.

Secondly, doesn't anybody put any stock in experience anymore? Try reading Gregg's responses with a bit more of an open mind, and perhaps you'll come to realize that there's plenty to be learned. Maybe, just maybe, you can appreciate somebody being straight-forward and honest with you, rather than telling you what you want to hear?

And finally, Gregg has been an active member on these boards for two and a half years. And having as much total herp-keeping experience as he does, the fact that he's willing to share some with you so you don't have to spend countless hours searching, and waste your time on trial and error, you could be a little more thankful. Don't come on here and think you need to police these forums. We have Admins and Moderators for that.

 

[Mel&Keith]

We have Admins and Moderators for that.

Yes, and I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't say, "Let's play nice and try to get along!".

Everyone can choose how they keep their reptiles. All we can do is post what we know and let people decide for themselves. Arguing about who's right or wrong doesn't accomplish anything. What your gecko requires depends on many different factors, geographical location, tank size, room temperatures, etc. There's no ONE setup that's best for every single Leo!

 

[2bacop]

HJ,
Thankyou for your kind and supportive post... The way it works here is if I put out solid info and someone does not agree, all I can do is roll with the punches and back my info up... Anyone who reads my posts can either take my info or leave it... Whats that saying???
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink...

Thanks again...

Oh, for the original poster, your humid hide should be on the cooler end because you want your leo to us it ONLY for shedding... You do not want to make the humid hide inviting enough for it to spend lots of time in it...

Wow, I didnt know that, I guess I have misinformed this whole time! I will have to go move mine, thanks gregg! I guess even none noobs can still learn stuff! :main_thumbsup:

 

[JordanAng420]

A couple things. For starters, your first post could have been better spent introducing yourself, rather than marching in like "big brother" to protect somebody who obviously doesn't have a firm grip on what he's talking about.

Secondly, doesn't anybody put any stock in experience anymore? Try reading Gregg's responses with a bit more of an open mind, and perhaps you'll come to realize that there's plenty to be learned. Maybe, just maybe, you can appreciate somebody being straight-forward and honest with you, rather than telling you what you want to hear?

And finally, Gregg has been an active member on these boards for two and a half years. And having as much total herp-keeping experience as he does, the fact that he's willing to share some with you so you don't have to spend countless hours searching, and waste your time on trial and error, you could be a little more thankful. Don't come on here and think you need to police these forums. We have Admins and Moderators for that.

+10
Couldn't have been said better. :2thumbsup: