Making Emerines

[KelliH]

AWESOME animals with great potential as line breeders Kelli.

Yes, thank you.

 

[robin]

kelli were the stripes you created those het bell/stripe emerines, a tang stripe or a bold stripe?

durr wait never mind you crossed an tang bell stripe?

 

[jandsfannon]

ok but don't you think tremper used other peoples lines to create the emerines (even though they are supposed to have popped out of the RAPTORS ). why doesn't he give credit to those people? because it is ron tremper?

Its possible he did. How many breeders with their own line of whatever the morph may be gives their "recipe" so to speak? Not very many that I can recall.

 

[HugeGenes&LoLa]

It doesn't have a name because nobody is giving it a name. The breeding community somehow agreed upon the morph name "tangerine" for orange geckos. Why can't the same be true for green geckos? All it takes is one breeder of green geckos to make a new name for them. Then everyone could follow suit.

If I had green geckos, I would call them "clovers". "Clovers" being the morph name (equivalent to tang), and then having something distinct put in front of it to let people know it was my line of "clovers". NJ clovers. Great, that'll be the name of my line. Someone else can get a green gecko from another line and call them Clover Tsunamis. Fine, that's not infringement, because it is green (hence clover) and then tsunami indicates what line it's from. Cool. See how there's uniformity AND protection of line? And beyond that, it keeps confusion to a minimum.

 

[Ehatcher]

This reminds me of cola... except with out patents.

(disclaimer: this is an example. No companies were harmed or slandered in the use of this example in any way, shape, or form)

Coca Cola, Pepsi, and RC are colas (their companies produce other soft drinks but that isnt the point.). The colas look the same, taste is somewhat the same, but ingredients vary... but in the end they are just cola... and in my eyes they are just that, pretty much the same. In the bottles you could tell the difference because they have the liberty of putting logas and graphics on them, but pour each individual cola into a glass and look at it, you cant tell a difference... they look the same, but the ingredients are different whether it is a different type of sweetener, color, different amounts of ingredients used, heck even if the product is from a different supplier.
(End example)

It would be a sad day if geckos have to get patents. I think it boils down to people are upset that someone made a gecko that has green in it, marketed it, used his name and is selling the animals for $350+ a pop, even though they look like geckos that have been made in the past. So what? This is a hobby, not a pissing match. I believe in giving people credit for their work no matter who it is.

What I think needs to happen is there needs to be a universal given name for geckos that show green attributes, or someone needs to ask Ron Tremper straight up if Emerine can be coined the Universal term (doubtful).

This topic is a Dead horse and that poor fella just keeps getting beat. lol

 

[KelliH]

kelli were the stripes you created those het bell/stripe emerines, a tang stripe or a bold stripe?

durr wait never mind you crossed an tang bell stripe?

Hmm I guess it would be both but mostly I used Bells that looked like these, with the most lavender. Those aren't the exact geckos I used to make the crosses but ones that looked similar.

 

[jandsfannon]

Well, how long do you believe it would take, and what are you basing that on?

This year I crossed Striped Bells with lots of Lavender to Emerines and made some geckos that look like this-

The reason I believe they are so "greenish" is because of all the Lavender on the Bell parents. What makes these Emerines have the greenish hue is Lavender color that eventually becomes overtaken by orange, which in turn gives it a "greenish" look.

Now those animals I posted above look like Emerines to me. They are Het Bell. When I breed them to each other I am pretty sure the resulting Bell offspring will just be very high lavender bells with some tang but who knows?

Those are beautiful animals with some awesome potential. Would I by them, definately! Would I want to know whether or not they came from the emerine line or another green line, definately.
I believe the person who created them deserves the credit. So would I sell those as just emerines, no. They would be HISS Bell Emerines (or whatever they were called).

 

[KelliH]

This reminds me of cola... except with out patents.

(disclaimer: this is an example. No companies were harmed or slandered in the use of this example in any way, shape, or form)

Coca Cola, Pepsi, and RC are colas (their companies produce other soft drinks but that isnt the point.). The colas look the same, taste is somewhat the same, but ingredients vary... but in the end they are just cola... and in my eyes they are just that, pretty much the same. In the bottles you could tell the difference because they have the liberty of putting logas and graphics on them, but pour each individual cola into a glass and look at it, you cant tell a difference... they look the same, but the ingredients are different whether it is a different type of sweetener, color, different amounts of ingredients used, heck even if the product is from a different supplier.
(End example)

It would be a sad day if geckos have to get patents. I think it boils down to people are upset that someone made a gecko that has green in it, marketed it, used his name and is selling the animals for $350+ a pop, even though they look like geckos that have been made in the past. So what? This is a hobby, not a pissing match. I believe in giving people credit for their work.

What I think needs to happen is there needs to be a universal given name for geckos that show green attributes, or someone needs to ask Ron Tremper straight up if Emerine can be coined the Universal term.

This topic is a Dead horse and that poor fella just keeps getting beat. lol

Coke is better than Pepsi and Dr. Pepper.

 

[KelliH]

Ok I have to get some work done so please you guys keep the discussion civil from here on out. It's an interesting discussion.

 

[thestack510]

To a degree I don't see anything wrong with calling any Tangerine with a large amount of green in it a line of Emerine, the afore mentioned original breeder of the Emerine line may disagree. I liken it to crossing Tangerines and Macks and calling the offspring Cremesicles. I've seen a decent amount of this, but I would venture to guess that many if not most of those crosses don't have any JMG Cremesicle blood in them. Any thoughts on this?

 

[Tony C]

i am, saying it is trempers line of tangerines but i think emerinnes, but rather than calling just trempers emerines why not call all orange/green tangerines geckos emerines or emeralds since it is a color not a morph.

Tremper does call them all Emeralds, and Emerines are a specific line of Emerald.

This green color mutation is referred to as the "Emerald" line. This morph is from a random gene mutation and not the result of a combination or line bred approach. The gene for green acts like the genetics for tangerine. Just as there are many types of tangerine geckos there are already several spectacular variations of the Emerald.
Here's the name breakdown as of July 2007:

* Emerine = emerald and tangerine predominate.
* Lavender Emerine = emerald, tangerine and lavender on the body
* Emerald Rainbow = emerald, tangerine, yellow, lavender and black on the body
* Lime Emerald = light green dominates the body

The way I read it, calling your own line "X line Emerald" would be acceptable, but calling it "X line Emerine" is not because Emerine is a specific line of Emeralds bred by Tremper.

 

[Ehatcher]

Coke is better than Pepsi and Dr. Pepper.

Coke is better than pepsi... But Dr. Pepper.. Cmon now, the Dr rocks the socks of all the other soft drinks hands down

 

[Tony C]

Coke is better than pepsi... But Dr. Pepper.. Cmon now, the Dr rocks the socks of all the other soft drinks hands down

Truth! :main_thumbsup:

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

This topic is a Dead horse and that poor fella just keeps getting beat. lol

:main_laugh:

 

[thestack510]

I'm a Pepper, he's a Pepper, he's a Pepper, wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too?

 

[jandsfannon]

To a degree I don't see anything wrong with calling any Tangerine with a large amount of green in it a line of Emerine, the afore mentioned original breeder of the Emerine line may disagree. I liken it to crossing Tangerines and Macks and calling the offspring Cremesicles. I've seen a decent amount of this, but I would venture to guess that many if not most of those crosses don't have any JMG Cremesicle blood in them. Any thoughts on this?

I guess it would depend on whether or not the person that coined the name calls that a specific line. Can you make cremesickles, yes. As a matter of fact I started that project this year. I called JMG and asked if the name Cremesickle was associated with their line, ie. did it come from the blood hypos. They told me I could call mine Cremesickles. I did this for Snowglows as well. I know not everyone would do it but I wanted to make sure there was not something "special" about their line that can only come from their line.
Is it possible that the green geckos that everyone is producing are the same as Emerines, yes its possible. But as far as I know you can only call a green gecko an emerine if it comes form the Tremper Emerine Bloodline. Its his bloodline.
Just because you believe something is not a morph would you start selling it as that morph and charge $50 where the market value is higher? If someone started representing a gecko as a Cremesickle but felt that everyone else is over priced and bottoms out the price at $50 is that right?
I dont think so, you think you have something to compare to another line be fair about dont crash the market on a particular gecko just because you feel like it or you think its a joke.

 

[jandsfannon]

Tremper does call them all Emeralds, and Emerines are a specific line of Emerald.



The way I read it, calling your own line "X line Emerald" would be acceptable, but calling it "X line Emerine" is not because Emerine is a specific line of Emeralds bred by Tremper.

+1 :main_thumbsup:

 

[robin]

it says emeralds are a line. where did this line come from?

 

[thestack510]

it says emeralds are a line. where did this line come from?

I suppose you would have to ask Mr. Tremper himself if he were willing to divulge that information.

 

[HugeGenes&LoLa]

So that's it then?

All green geckos can be called Emeralds? But not all green geckos are Emerine, necessarily. Only those from Tremper's line. Welp, there it is.

Good discussion.