Making Emerines

[KelliH]

What it comes down to is naming green geckos. Said it before, but no one listened.

Got one for orange. Got one for purple. Got one for black (sort of).

What do we have for green? Emerine doesn't work because it's basically a patent for a specific line. Try again.

It's a great idea. I just don't think it would ever work because as you can see from this thread, not everyone is going to agree on what category to put a gecko in, much less what name to give it.

 

[jandsfannon]

i dunno, i always called the tangs i had what they were. so if i had a tang from hiss (these were pre "electric") and one from gourmet rodent. i would call them hiss x gourmet cross. nieves it is davids line (just so happens to be his last name) and i did have nieves and nieves crosses. so yeah i guess but like i said i think the controversy on this one stems from the fact that green tangs have been being produced for years.

let me ask you a question? if i take nieves lines, gourmet rodents lines, hiss lines, urban gecko lines and trempers lines and breed them together. what are they? i mean from those can i make my own lines?

I know some one else said that perhaps that we should have a name for green geckos maybe Emerald for example. I think that might be part of the problem but unless everyone can agree this will be a problem no matter what.
I still believe that Emerines are a specific line and no other gecko should be called that unless they originate from that line.

As for the question you asked, in the beginning I probably would have called them TUG X Electric, but after crossing so many into it would I call them Bearded Gecko Tangs? No I probably would call them Tangerines but I would disclose the lines that are in it. I dont really see the need to keep coming up with line names. Tangerine is good enough for me. But if I purchased electric Tangs and bred them pure would I call them Electrics? Yes that is a well established line. But I do know several breeders that have crossed several Tangs and now have their own lines After selective breeding. So if you are asking can you I suppose you can.

 

[KelliH]

Would you consider this an Emerine?

It's actually an Electric outcross but isn't Emerine supposed to be Emerald Tangerine?

LOL it is rather tricky isn't it.

 

[thestack510]

let me ask you a question? if i take nieves lines, gourmet rodents lines, hiss lines, urban gecko lines and trempers lines and breed them together. what are they? i mean from those can i make my own lines?

That is how it's done, wouldn't you say? Performing your own crosses, selecting out the offspring with whichever traits you desire, and selectively breeding them to similar animals to foster those traits. Down the road the result would be one's own line of Tangerines, Of course you would likely want to control what gets crossed and when, not just throw the lines all together at once. Personally I would wait three or four seasons minimum of doing my own crossing before I considered something my own line.

 

[jandsfannon]

Would you consider this an Emerine?

It's actually an Electric outcross but isn't Emerine supposed to be Emerald Tangerine?

LOL it is rather tricky isn't it.

Yes it looks like an Emerine, but if you called it an Emerald Tangerine there wouldn't be a problem. You are not calling it emerine.
The problem I have is someone calling a green gecko that is not from emerine lines a Emerine. Period. I would be just as upset whether or not I had the line or not.
Its tricky but as long as you are not infringing on someone else name you wont have problems.
Thats the reason I have mentioned other lines like your electrics and the R2s and the tornados. There is no way I would call anything I produced that happened to look similar to them by those names unless I made it from those lines.

 

[robin]

i would call that a HISS Emerine or HISS Emerine Tang or a HISS Emerald

 

[KelliH]

Yes it looks like an Emerine, but if you called it an Emerald Tangerine there wouldn't be a problem. You are not calling it emerine.
The problem I have is someone calling a green gecko that is not from emerine lines a Emerine. Period. I would be just as upset whether or not I had the line or not.
Its tricky but as long as you are not infringing on someone else name you wont have problems.
Thats the reason I have mentioned other lines like your electrics and the R2s and the tornados. There is no way I would call anything I produced that happened to look similar to them by those names unless I made it from those lines.

I actually wouldn't call it an Emerald Tangerine or an Emerine. It's an Electric Tang X Nieves cross.

I had another thought. I crossed Emerine into my Bell lines and produced some nice Emeriney looking babies. I will be breeding the babies to each other to produce Bells from them (and non Bells too). What do you think I should call them? Bell Emerines? Bell Emeralds? Bell/Emerine crosses? Albino Emerines? Should I come up with another new name for them just to add to the confusion? Any suggestions?

 

[Tony C]

Posting again in case you missed it, I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Robin, how is it that you are such a stickler for crediting photographs (which I fully agree with), but feel it's ok to steal credit for a line of geckos by misrepresenting them as someone else's? You know as a breeder what it takes to create your own distinct line, certainly a lot more time, effort, and dedication than snapping a picture, yet that effort and dedication deserves no protection? Calling an animal "X" line is ok just because it looks similar?

 

[robin]

That is how it's done, wouldn't you say? Performing your own crosses, selecting out the offspring with whichever traits you desire, and selectively breeding them to similar animals to foster those traits. Down the road the result would be one's own line of Tangerines, Of course you would likely want to control what gets crossed and when, not just throw the lines all together at once. Personally I would wait three or four seasons minimum of doing my own crossing before I considered something my own line.

but of course

 

[Allee Toler]

I think you should call them Bell Boogies. Lololol.

 

[jandsfannon]

I actually wouldn't call it an Emerald Tangerine or an Emerine. It's an Electric Tang X Nieves cross.

I had another thought. I crossed Emerine into my Bell lines and produced some nice Emeriney looking babies. I will be breeding the babies to each other to produce Bells from them (and non Bells too). What do you think I should call them? Bell Emerines? Bell Emeralds? Bell/Emerine crosses? Albino Emerines? Should I come up with another new name for them just to add to the confusion? Any suggestions?

Electric Tang x Nieves cross is interesting there is no confusion as to where they came from.
Honestly if you started with an emerine then you can call it an emerine bell if you really wanted to. Theres no new name and you used the lines that you are taking the name from.

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

I would think it would take more than two years of breeding to produce a bell emerine but other than that I don't see why not.

 

[KelliH]

I think you should call them Bell Boogies. Lololol.

 

[thestack510]

I don't see anything wrong with declaring your own line of a polygenic, or other desired trait, and calling it whatever you like as long as you yourself or perhaps a small group of people working together, have put the time and effort into making it your own and you're not just piggy backing on someone else's work, breeding someone else's line true and slapping your own name on the animals for example. Selling F1 crosses as your own line is also wrong and premature in my opinion.

 

[KelliH]

I would think it would take more than two years of breeding to produce a bell emerine but other than that I don't see why not.

Well, how long do you believe it would take, and what are you basing that on?

This year I crossed Striped Bells with lots of Lavender to Emerines and made some geckos that look like this-

The reason I believe they are so "greenish" is because of all the Lavender on the Bell parents. What makes these Emerines have the greenish hue is Lavender color that eventually becomes overtaken by orange, which in turn gives it a "greenish" look.

Now those animals I posted above look like Emerines to me. They are Het Bell. When I breed them to each other I am pretty sure the resulting Bell offspring will just be very high lavender bells with some tang but who knows?

 

[robin]

Posting again in case you missed it, I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

i am, saying it is trempers line of tangerines but i think emerinnes, but rather than calling just trempers emerines why not call all orange/green tangerines geckos emerines or emeralds since it is a color not a morph.
look at kelli's photos. that has more green than i have seen in ANY of trempers "emerines".
i am a stickler about photography and giving credit to who owns the image, it's copyrighted. meaning i own that image (or whomever took the photo) and the rights to it. no one can use it without my permission. if i ask another person to use their image, i am asking permission not only a courtesy but by law. sure tremper made some very tremper emerines (and i totally give him credit for that) but why can't someone else use that term for their green geckos. if i bought a n emerine from tremper i would call it a tremper emerine but coining it just for himself, i dunno is kinda weird since other lines produce green geckos too.emerines do not necessarily have a "look of their own". does that make sense?

 

[robin]

Electric Tang x Nieves cross is interesting there is no confusion as to where they came from.
Honestly if you started with an emerine then you can call it an emerine bell if you really wanted to. Theres no new name and you used the lines that you are taking the name from.

ok but don't you think tremper used other peoples lines to create the emerines (even though they are supposed to have popped out of the RAPTORS ). why doesn't he give credit to those people? because it is ron tremper?

 

[KelliH]

Maybe like someone else suggested above, we could call the non Tremper ones "Emeralds". But now that I am thinking about that... isn't that what the "Emerines" were originally named by Mr. Tremper? Does anyone else remember that?

 

[thestack510]

AWESOME animals with great potential as line breeders Kelli.

 

[KelliH]

Before this goes any further: No Tremper bashing please, this is a discussion about the Emerine/Emerald/Greenish Looking/Lavender mixed with Tang leos, not about him, or anyone else.